Diesel to Gas Power Observation

Huntindog wrote:
It is not suprising. Gas is cheaper right now.
I have been driving diesels since 2000. The price of diesel vs gas has swung back and forth many times since then. Twice there was a pipeline
problem and gas just wasn't availible. There are two constants. Gas propenents will always crow about how smart they were when gas is cheaper, and fall silent when it is not.... And diesel ALWAYs gets about 30% better MPGs

When was gas not available? I've had a drivers license since the 1980's, never had an issue where there wasn't gas available.

Also, it's been at least a couple decades since diesel was cheaper than gas per gallon. The last year or so, it's been more than enough to cover any MPG improvements.

rjstractor wrote:
It's been awhile since we've had a good ol'-fashioned brouhaha about gas vs. diesel... been wasting too much time arguing about electric trucks! :B

You got that right... A lot of time was wasted about EV trucks that can't tow any decent distance.

It's been awhile since we've had a good ol'-fashioned brouhaha about gas vs. diesel... been wasting too much time arguing about electric trucks! :B

FishOnOne wrote:

Bionic Man wrote:
I watched for 5 minutes, but couldn’t bring myself to waste an entire 20 minutes on this.

I’m never one to give much credence to anecdotal statements about what is selling or what isn’t. As I am generally interested, I’d love to see real sales numbers of what the breakdown is of diesel vs gas in HD trucks (as well as 2500 vs 3500 sales). I know you used to be able to find that, but I haven’t seen it in a while.

The truck that they bought is a pretty truck. But I really can’t see buying a DRW with a gasser. I hope they are happy with their purchase. I wouldn’t be.

I see a lot of Ram 4500/5500 Ram Hemi powered trucks. Just seen a fairly new Ram 4500 flat bed with a welder on the back with a Hemi badge on the fender just a few minutes ago. A few years ago Ram HD's were essentially all Cummins powered, but I've seen this trend towards gas for a few years now.

Which leads to the next question. Since there rumors that the Hemi is going out to the pasture what gas engine will Ram utilize? Gas powered Cummins that soon will be released?

Cummins is developing a 6.7 gas engine and Ford designed and released a big block 7.3 for a reason.

Wish them good luck with their cams in those Hemi's in service trucks if they leave them idling for hours at a time.

No gasser goes down a step mountain with a heavy load like a diesel with an exhaust brake.

Bionic Man wrote:
I watched for 5 minutes, but couldn’t bring myself to waste an entire 20 minutes on this.

I’m never one to give much credence to anecdotal statements about what is selling or what isn’t. As I am generally interested, I’d love to see real sales numbers of what the breakdown is of diesel vs gas in HD trucks (as well as 2500 vs 3500 sales). I know you used to be able to find that, but I haven’t seen it in a while.

The truck that they bought is a pretty truck. But I really can’t see buying a DRW with a gasser. I hope they are happy with their purchase. I wouldn’t be.

Ha, right? Regardless of the resale market, good diesels will still bring more and sell better.
Now take the biggest fanciest truck you can buy and give it the lowest powered engine (yes i know ford makes a lesser gasser too) and see what happens to resale….

Fine if you’re one of those “keep ‘em til the wheels fall off” people, but that dude will take the biggest bath in history when his flavor of the day changes again in the near future!

Sooo many reasons to require a couple economics classes for everyone in high school and this idiocy is only one of them. Lol

Bionic Man wrote:
I watched for 5 minutes, but couldn’t bring myself to waste an entire 20 minutes on this.

I’m never one to give much credence to anecdotal statements about what is selling or what isn’t. As I am generally interested, I’d love to see real sales numbers of what the breakdown is of diesel vs gas in HD trucks (as well as 2500 vs 3500 sales). I know you used to be able to find that, but I haven’t seen it in a while.

The truck that they bought is a pretty truck. But I really can’t see buying a DRW with a gasser. I hope they are happy with their purchase. I wouldn’t be.

I see a lot of Ram 4500/5500 Ram Hemi powered trucks. Just seen a fairly new Ram 4500 flat bed with a welder on the back with a Hemi badge on the fender just a few minutes ago. A few years ago Ram HD's were essentially all Cummins powered, but I've seen this trend towards gas for a few years now.

Which leads to the next question. Since there rumors that the Hemi is going out to the pasture what gas engine will Ram utilize? Gas powered Cummins that soon will be released?

Cummins is developing a 6.7 gas engine and Ford designed and released a big block 7.3 for a reason.

I watched for 5 minutes, but couldn’t bring myself to waste an entire 20 minutes on this.

I’m never one to give much credence to anecdotal statements about what is selling or what isn’t. As I am generally interested, I’d love to see real sales numbers of what the breakdown is of diesel vs gas in HD trucks (as well as 2500 vs 3500 sales). I know you used to be able to find that, but I haven’t seen it in a while.

The truck that they bought is a pretty truck. But I really can’t see buying a DRW with a gasser. I hope they are happy with their purchase. I wouldn’t be.

Went from a 2015 Hemi to a 2020 Cummins. Tow a 14k toy hauler in the wind and mountains of Montana.

Hemi made 11-14 mpg solo and 4-7 towing.

Diesel makes 16-20 solo and 8-12 towing.

Diesel levels the hills both up and down. Exhaust brake is awesome.

Won't be going back to a gas to tow with any time soon.

Funny when I reported my findings keeping track of brand of truck towing RV's or anything else that were independently operated I was slammed as it was just what "I was seeing". So FISH I think it's just what "you are SEEING".

If I were buying a new truck primarily for towing and/or hauling I would most likely buy diesel. But if the truck was primarily used as a daily driver with occasional towing/hauling it would be gas. Bought my first diesel in 2004 when diesel was still less than gas. Shortly after diesel moved higher and has rarely be less than gas since. And certainly not in a number of years. A few months ago diesel was as much as $1.80 to $2.00 higher than gas. Back down to a more "reasonable" $1.10-$1.20 or so more now. :S

Diesel may get 20-30% better fuel mileage towing/hauling but I haven't seen near that for daily driving, whether highway, city, or combo.