dino oil vs synthetic mpg

Really not a huge deal just remove the intake RNR from the top with no mess. Good time to give the turbo a spin.

Fish. Thanks for the answer!

FishOnOne wrote:
Ron,
MY OLM tells me to change the oil between 7,500 - 10,000 miles so I typically follow it.

I did some Blackstone early on mostly out of curiosity to see if they indeed fix the fuel dilution problem and indeed they did. My oil analysis today consist of draining 13 quarts and filling the sump with 13 quarts. If they match I'm happy.

I'm sure I could go longer, but I actually like turning the wrench and draining the sump. The joy is hard to resist. :B

This is one of the things I miss about my 6.0L; the filter was MUCH easier to replace than my Cummins. It’s doable on the Cummins but is certainly a PITA.

larry barnhart wrote:
I am mixed up. When somebody is happy with their brand of oil or vehicle why do others want to make them change anything. I might change my thinking but it will be doing it not others.
chevman getting old ya think?

I totally agree. I rarely post new topics because they inevitably end up in pi$$ing matches and/or personal attacks. And I’m very selective on posts I respond to.

Shell ROTELLA T6 Full Synthetic changed once a year in a 6.0 213K so far. O oil use between changes. Better mileage? Your towing TT & 5Ws worth 1000's and you worry about a couple miles per gallon? Fill it up drive on and refill as needed.

Synthetic better for my engine, I think so, if I didn't I wouldn't use it.

ktmrfs wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

soren wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
"I have been using synthetic oil since 1974...."

Same here, my Dad was the first Dealer in WA. I have never bought AMZ/OIL for mileage increase but I am sure it does help "some". You can thank this company for pushing the others towards Synthetics.

In the late '70s I was a high school kid, working part time at a small engine shop. We had a valuable commercial customer who became enamored with the idea of using synthetic in his mowers. The head mechanic was not impressed, so the customer told him he could prove it was better. The mechanic started a commercial two cycle push mower, and checked the RPMs on idle. They drained the dino oil out of it, refilled with the synthetic and started again. The idle was roughly 500 RPMs faster. All of us were pretty amazed. I'm sure that this trick would be tough to repeat, given that two cycle mowers are gone, and I'm sure dino is a far better product that it was in 1978.

I'm confused.... You said they drained the dino oil and refilled with synthetic on a (key word coming up) 2-Stroke engine.

In the case of many two stroke gas engines, oil injection was very common. fill a tank with oil, and a pump injected oil to the crank at anywhere from 200:1 to about 20:1 depending on load. so he may have been draining the injection pump sump, thinking it was the engine sump.

now 500 rpm increase??? that sounds far fetched. 50rpm maybe.

this is still common in jet ski's and I believe outboard motors. seems like motorcycles and lawn mowers have gone away from oil injection back to std 50:1 mix.

two stroke does NOT mean you will always have a fuel/oil mix. In fact AFAIK ALL two stroke diesels have a seperate sump and use a supercharger for intake air. crankcase is seperated from intake/exhaust path just like in a 4 stroke. the same can be done on a two stroke gas engine, but seldom has been done.

He mentioned 2 cycle lawn mower and like Marty mentioned I've yet to see a oil injected 2 cycle lawn mower as they have always been premix.

Ron,
MY OLM tells me to change the oil between 7,500 - 10,000 miles so I typically follow it.

I did some Blackstone early on mostly out of curiosity to see if they indeed fix the fuel dilution problem and indeed they did. My oil analysis today consist of draining 13 quarts and filling the sump with 13 quarts. If they match I'm happy.

I'm sure I could go longer, but I actually like turning the wrench and draining the sump. The joy is hard to resist. :B

Ralph Cramden wrote:

soren wrote:

Ralph Cramden wrote:


That won't get you a dime extra from any dealers trade in appraiser, or the majority of private buyers either. Personally I would expect to see detailed service records for things like fluid changes and other maintenance if I was buying used, but why would I pay more because the vehicle was maintained per the manufacturers recommendations?

That oil analysis is fine if you like spending $28 bucks. There are many things that can go mechanically wrong with an engine in a major and expensive way, and an oil analysis report is not going to give any sort of warning for the majority of them
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Really? So, when the trucking industry,and many others that operate everything from giant power plants in ships, to back-up generators for critical uses, rely on oil analysis to determine the machine's "health" they are wasting money?

No not at all, but this thread is about the vehicle owned by thw average Joe, and not the fleet of UPS, the power plant of a container ship, or a CSX locomotive. A total waste of money IMO.

soren wrote:

The mechanic started a commercial two cycle push mower, and checked the RPMs on idle. They drained the dino oil out of it, refilled with the synthetic and started again. The idle was roughly 500 RPMs faster. All of us were pretty amazed. I'm sure that this trick would be tough to repeat, given that two cycle mowers are gone, and I'm sure dino is a far better product that it was in 1978.

Draining that oil out of a 2 cycle engine is a feat in itself.

LOL, You're right. Back then the commercial guys we serviced used Jacobsen 2 cyl and IIRC Lawn-Boy push mowers as "trimming mowers" Obviously I got the 2 cyl part wrong. I remember the Jac's since they had a cast aluminum deck that looked like it would outlast the end of the world, and the lawn-Boys had that goofy offset front wheel with the discharge ahead of it.

FishOnOne wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
"QUOTE"

"That won't get you a dime extra from any dealers trade in appraiser, or the majority of private buyers either. Personally I would expect to see detailed service records for things like fluid changes and other maintenance if I was buying used, but why would I pay more because the vehicle was maintained per the manufacturers recommendations?

That oil analysis is fine if you like spending $28 bucks. There are many things that can go mechanically wrong with an engine in a major and expensive way, and an oil analysis report is not going to give any sort of warning for the majority of them. "




If I were selling private party with MY detailed maintenance records and my EXCELLENT oil reports I WILL get top dollar with ease. BTW you can ONLY go 15K on an oil change if the computer says you can. All that data is stored. I am excessive with all my maintenance, it has served me well.

BTW I did get 3K more on trade with AutoNation on my 11 Dually than what Dave Smith offered with both asking same $ for my current 15. I did show the salesman detailed maintenance records I kept in my owners manual along with Blackstone reports. He was VERY eager to get my truck I added 6K more miles than I promised from order time to trade on new truck. He only docked $1,000.

Driving my truck the way I do allows 15K oil changes (more if I wanted to risk warranty coverage), using the AMZ/OIL Signature Series and FleetGuard strataPore I pay $127 per change. Most people change at 1/2 that mileage or less. So for the time spent and the reports I get "I" am VERY happy.

Ron,
Just finished a 8,500 mile oil change this morning. Sure was a enjoyable experience. BTW... With conventional oil too. At 138k miles my truck doesn't use any oil and "I" am VERY happy. :B

That's great. Curious does your vintage allow for that long of mileage before changing?

I hope you did a Blackstone oil sample. If not how do you know if you went too long or not as long as you could have?

Lynnmor wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:



If I were selling private party with MY detailed maintenance records and my EXCELLENT oil reports I WILL get top dollar with ease. BTW you can ONLY go 15K on an oil change if the computer says you can. All that data is stored.

Where would that be stored. I asked about that at a dealership and was told that the computer stores no oil change history.

I was told it did from top dogs from Chrysler at May Madness in Pahrump, NV 2016. They also know if you go over 6 months!

I am mixed up. When somebody is happy with their brand of oil or vehicle why do others want to make them change anything. I might change my thinking but it will be doing it not others.
chevman getting old ya think?