dino oil vs synthetic mpg

FishOnOne wrote:

soren wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
"I have been using synthetic oil since 1974...."

Same here, my Dad was the first Dealer in WA. I have never bought AMZ/OIL for mileage increase but I am sure it does help "some". You can thank this company for pushing the others towards Synthetics.

In the late '70s I was a high school kid, working part time at a small engine shop. We had a valuable commercial customer who became enamored with the idea of using synthetic in his mowers. The head mechanic was not impressed, so the customer told him he could prove it was better. The mechanic started a commercial two cycle push mower, and checked the RPMs on idle. They drained the dino oil out of it, refilled with the synthetic and started again. The idle was roughly 500 RPMs faster. All of us were pretty amazed. I'm sure that this trick would be tough to repeat, given that two cycle mowers are gone, and I'm sure dino is a far better product that it was in 1978.

I'm confused.... You said they drained the dino oil and refilled with synthetic on a (key word coming up) 2-Stroke engine.

In the case of many two stroke gas engines, oil injection was very common. fill a tank with oil, and a pump injected oil to the crank at anywhere from 200:1 to about 20:1 depending on load. so he may have been draining the injection pump sump, thinking it was the engine sump.

now 500 rpm increase??? that sounds far fetched. 50rpm maybe.

this is still common in jet ski's and I believe outboard motors. seems like motorcycles and lawn mowers have gone away from oil injection back to std 50:1 mix.

two stroke does NOT mean you will always have a fuel/oil mix. In fact AFAIK ALL two stroke diesels have a seperate sump and use a supercharger for intake air. crankcase is seperated from intake/exhaust path just like in a 4 stroke. the same can be done on a two stroke gas engine, but seldom has been done.

FishOnOne wrote:

soren wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
"I have been using synthetic oil since 1974...."

Same here, my Dad was the first Dealer in WA. I have never bought AMZ/OIL for mileage increase but I am sure it does help "some". You can thank this company for pushing the others towards Synthetics.

In the late '70s I was a high school kid, working part time at a small engine shop. We had a valuable commercial customer who became enamored with the idea of using synthetic in his mowers. The head mechanic was not impressed, so the customer told him he could prove it was better. The mechanic started a commercial two cycle push mower, and checked the RPMs on idle. They drained the dino oil out of it, refilled with the synthetic and started again. The idle was roughly 500 RPMs faster. All of us were pretty amazed. I'm sure that this trick would be tough to repeat, given that two cycle mowers are gone, and I'm sure dino is a far better product that it was in 1978.

I'm confused.... You said they drained the dino oil and refilled with synthetic on a (key word coming up) 2-Stroke engine.

Running a number of two cycle Toro and lawn-Boy mowers back in the day, I too would like to know how to change the oil in them too! Still not changing the oil in my 2 cycle equipment! do not find any benefit myself with synthetic vs std dino in AMY of my rigs, be it a truck, car, mowers, bobcat, trackhoe, boat etc. OTHER than as noted, cold winter start ups.
I do have synthetic in a few of my small engines, like a pressure washer, that is not run as often as my other motors. Now that I am typing, I believe it is a mixture........

My wifes MB gets mobil 1, but that is what came with it.......

My 7.3 IDI V8 diesel with 150K is still doing well with 15-40 delo!

Still wondering how one changes the oil in a 2 cycle? I do admit, I know of some boat motors that inject the oil with the fuel, so no mixing of the oil in the fuel tank......I can see this kind of a situation......my lawn mowers etc..............I have yet to see this with 40 years in the biz.

Marty

Cummins12V98 wrote:
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"That won't get you a dime extra from any dealers trade in appraiser, or the majority of private buyers either. Personally I would expect to see detailed service records for things like fluid changes and other maintenance if I was buying used, but why would I pay more because the vehicle was maintained per the manufacturers recommendations?

That oil analysis is fine if you like spending $28 bucks. There are many things that can go mechanically wrong with an engine in a major and expensive way, and an oil analysis report is not going to give any sort of warning for the majority of them. "




If I were selling private party with MY detailed maintenance records and my EXCELLENT oil reports I WILL get top dollar with ease. BTW you can ONLY go 15K on an oil change if the computer says you can. All that data is stored. I am excessive with all my maintenance, it has served me well.

BTW I did get 3K more on trade with AutoNation on my 11 Dually than what Dave Smith offered with both asking same $ for my current 15. I did show the salesman detailed maintenance records I kept in my owners manual along with Blackstone reports. He was VERY eager to get my truck I added 6K more miles than I promised from order time to trade on new truck. He only docked $1,000.

Driving my truck the way I do allows 15K oil changes (more if I wanted to risk warranty coverage), using the AMZ/OIL Signature Series and FleetGuard strataPore I pay $127 per change. Most people change at 1/2 that mileage or less. So for the time spent and the reports I get "I" am VERY happy.

Ron,
Just finished a 8,500 mile oil change this morning. Sure was a enjoyable experience. BTW... With conventional oil too. At 138k miles my truck doesn't use any oil and "I" am VERY happy. :B

soren wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
"I have been using synthetic oil since 1974...."

Same here, my Dad was the first Dealer in WA. I have never bought AMZ/OIL for mileage increase but I am sure it does help "some". You can thank this company for pushing the others towards Synthetics.

In the late '70s I was a high school kid, working part time at a small engine shop. We had a valuable commercial customer who became enamored with the idea of using synthetic in his mowers. The head mechanic was not impressed, so the customer told him he could prove it was better. The mechanic started a commercial two cycle push mower, and checked the RPMs on idle. They drained the dino oil out of it, refilled with the synthetic and started again. The idle was roughly 500 RPMs faster. All of us were pretty amazed. I'm sure that this trick would be tough to repeat, given that two cycle mowers are gone, and I'm sure dino is a far better product that it was in 1978.

I'm confused.... You said they drained the dino oil and refilled with synthetic on a (key word coming up) 2-Stroke engine.

soren wrote:

Ralph Cramden wrote:


That won't get you a dime extra from any dealers trade in appraiser, or the majority of private buyers either. Personally I would expect to see detailed service records for things like fluid changes and other maintenance if I was buying used, but why would I pay more because the vehicle was maintained per the manufacturers recommendations?

That oil analysis is fine if you like spending $28 bucks. There are many things that can go mechanically wrong with an engine in a major and expensive way, and an oil analysis report is not going to give any sort of warning for the majority of them
.

Really? So, when the trucking industry,and many others that operate everything from giant power plants in ships, to back-up generators for critical uses, rely on oil analysis to determine the machine's "health" they are wasting money?

No not at all, but this thread is about the vehicle owned by thw average Joe, and not the fleet of UPS, the power plant of a container ship, or a CSX locomotive. A total waste of money IMO.

soren wrote:

The mechanic started a commercial two cycle push mower, and checked the RPMs on idle. They drained the dino oil out of it, refilled with the synthetic and started again. The idle was roughly 500 RPMs faster. All of us were pretty amazed. I'm sure that this trick would be tough to repeat, given that two cycle mowers are gone, and I'm sure dino is a far better product that it was in 1978.

Draining that oil out of a 2 cycle engine is a feat in itself.

Cummins12V98 wrote:



If I were selling private party with MY detailed maintenance records and my EXCELLENT oil reports I WILL get top dollar with ease. BTW you can ONLY go 15K on an oil change if the computer says you can. All that data is stored.

Where would that be stored. I asked about that at a dealership and was told that the computer stores no oil change history.

"They drained the dino oil out of it, refilled with the synthetic and started again. The idle was roughly 500 RPMs faster."

We did several tests like that and the RPM's did increase every time.

My Dad HAD to adjust the valves every so many miles on his 60 bug running Dino oil. Changed to AMZ/OIL went to adjust the valves and they were still right on. Also had to replace the cork gaskets every time but this time they were pliable. He changed to 3x miles and they needed very little adjustment.

My 81 VW PU electric fan never worked. At 150K the cylinder wall taper was 30 thousands and let off one day the the truck kept going. Sucked oil past the rings as they were expanded to their max. Bro in law tore into the engine. The cam looked new with the turning marks still on the cam only part that was shiny was the tip. On the top side of the connecting rod bearing only a small part of the first layer of grey was missing. He was SHOCKED that it had 150K as he said I would have bet money it had only 30K.

Groover wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
I run the 15-40 AMZ/OIL Diesel Signature Series in my Cummins. Oil is still in great shape at 15k with FleetGuard filter. This sample was at 45K on the clock.

I have a Cummins in my Freightliner and they are very specific that I am not to use synthetic oil, dino oil only. I even called and had that confirmed but did not get a reason.

I would love to see that in black and white!

Ralph Cramden wrote:

larry barnhart wrote:
I don't smoke or drink or chase the ladies so I have tons of money for oil.

You should reconsider. Not only is it a hell of a lot of fun, but you often get more out of it than you do from buying oil.:D

Cummins12V98 wrote:

Some will say why do a sample every oil change like I have. When I go to sell this these reports will net me a higher price as they can see for a FACT the condition of the engine.

That won't get you a dime extra from any dealers trade in appraiser, or the majority of private buyers either. Personally I would expect to see detailed service records for things like fluid changes and other maintenance if I was buying used, but why would I pay more because the vehicle was maintained per the manufacturers recommendations?

That oil analysis is fine if you like spending $28 bucks. There are many things that can go mechanically wrong with an engine in a major and expensive way, and an oil analysis report is not going to give any sort of warning for the majority of them
.

Really? So, when the trucking industry,and many others that operate everything from giant power plants in ships, to back-up generators for critical uses, rely on oil analysis to determine the machine's "health" they are wasting money? Interesting. My son is responsible for countless diesel engines. Like most responsible managers in this specialty, he has a commercial account with an analysis firm, and a steady flow of samples heading to the lab and reports showing up in his inbox. Catching an issue like coolant intrusion, fuel contamination, and impending bearing failure, is a pretty big deal, and pretty evident when regularly monitored with sampling. When shop time is $100+ an hour, and few problems are resolved with less than a four figure repair bill, a few dollars on oil testing is well spent.

Cummins12V98 wrote:
"I have been using synthetic oil since 1974...."

Same here, my Dad was the first Dealer in WA. I have never bought AMZ/OIL for mileage increase but I am sure it does help "some". You can thank this company for pushing the others towards Synthetics.

In the late '70s I was a high school kid, working part time at a small engine shop. We had a valuable commercial customer who became enamored with the idea of using synthetic in his mowers. The head mechanic was not impressed, so the customer told him he could prove it was better. The mechanic started a commercial two cycle push mower, and checked the RPMs on idle. They drained the dino oil out of it, refilled with the synthetic and started again. The idle was roughly 500 RPMs faster. All of us were pretty amazed. I'm sure that this trick would be tough to repeat, given that two cycle mowers are gone, and I'm sure dino is a far better product that it was in 1978.