I should have known when orig. salesman didn't know about unit for sale, and no picture online, that there might be a problem. This was for a used 2011 21BH Cataline TT bought in the state of IN.Provided listed stock # and salesman was able to find unit. Arranged for inspection. Showed up and salesman was busy, so another person showed me the unit. Immediately upon walking into the TT, there was a piece of luann on the floor to the right of the door. Person showing even commented on wonder why that there.Didn't discover any forthcoming problems and put money down on Sat. Unit wouldn't be avail. until Wed. for pickup. Systems had to be checked.Upon pickup, all tanks had been filled to check out systems. Clean tank had busted supports and was resting on axle. I mentioned this but really needed to get trailer on the road to new job. Drained tank for ride home and fixed support issue at home.After walking inside trailer where luann was, there was a soft spot. Pulled up linoleum to find a rotted spot approx. 1x1 foot. I also proceeded to fix this.Called dealer to speak with salesman. He was so apologetic and said he would speak to GM about issue. I had paid asking price of $9995, no haggle. Then requested $1000 in return for issues. That was Sat., this is Wed. and no response. The bill of sale does disclose "as is". But I'm wondering if such problems, especially the known rotted floor should have been disclosed. Appears to be shady deal to me.Where to from here. Email dealer? Contact BBB? Chalk it up to me being a dumbass............

You could try BBB. In Wisconsin we have a state agency called the Dept. of Ag, Trade and Consumer Protction that mediates these type of complaints. One would think water damage should have been disclosed, but you took possession of it without a thorough PDI and bought "as is".

Honestly no, and I would not pursue anything more than you already have. If they are nice enough to do something for you then great - but they're in business to make money and I don't feel they owe anything more. And I wouldn't go to the BBB either because the company did nothing wrong.You made a deal and accepted the unit As-is after inspecting it to your satisfaction. Now it's time to roll up your sleeves and go to work on it and accept personal responsibility for your actions.Good luck,Scott

You must have needed a TT in a hurry, as you posted. If the dealer has any ethic at all, he should settle up with you on the damage discovered like the floor and tank. If it was me, I'd be getting a pressurized leak test done to discover if there are other issues like the roof or walls having leaks. I do the pressure test using a furnace blower, directing the air in through a window and spraying all over the exterior with a spray bottle of soapy water. I've seen where other guys use a leaf blower or a commercial fan, anything that moves a lot of air will do the trick. Here's a leak I discovered when doing the test:Don't beat yourself up too bad, we all get in a hurry and miss something now and again. Doesn't make you dumb, just a guy trying to get along. I'd keep on the dealer and salesman until you get some settlement.

We were told we had three days after pick-up to cancel the deal. We purchased in Indiana as well.

You gonna end up with a 2011 Trailer which is not all that old... To me that size up to the 24-25 foot length would be the perfect size. Easy to tow and will fit most camp grounds and Natl Forest sites with ease.If your fixes went well and after a good inspection of all other possible problems you should be in good shape for a long time to come..What are other 2011 similar TT's going for...Knowing what you have now is worth alot to you as the next used trailer will most likely have different new problems for you to fix anyway...AS-IS is just what it means AS-IS... You will be at the mercy of the goodness of the dealer... Some places has the so called lemon-law where you can return it in a 'very short time' after taking it off the lot... Roy Ken

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beemerphile1
Explorer
Oct 02, 2014
cile01 wrote:
...The bill of sale does disclose "as is". But I'm wondering if such problems, especially the known rotted floor should have been disclosed. Appears to be shady deal to me....

Nothing shady. You inspected, you saw, you bought "as is".

Take it as a lesson learned, it is all on you for being in a rush to buy an RV that you knew had defects.
westend
Explorer
Oct 02, 2014
Hi majorgator,
If you haven't done this test it may seem like so much voo-doo but if you've done one, it becomes apparent the usefulness of this test.

What your reasoning revolves around is that the test conditions somehow alter the construction configuration of the trailer, creating abnormal sealing conditions that aren't real-world conditions. That isn't the case. The pressure inside the cabin should be increased to a level of 1"-2" of water column. This only allows for the pressurized air inside the cabin to exit out of any existing holes. It doesn't force open any sealing surfaces or bend any structural elements. Yes, seals around doors or openings within windows will pass air but that's not the objective. The purpose is to uncover any holes in those sealed surfaces that we don't want to have water enter. Places like the joint between roof and wall, around window jamb flashing, in corner joints where siding breaks occur, around any roof through holes.
The bottom line is I like my rig sealed where it should be and not open to any water intrusion, YMMV.
majorgator
Explorer
Oct 02, 2014
westend wrote:
If it was me, I'd be getting a pressurized leak test done to discover if there are other issues like the roof or walls having leaks. I do the pressure test using a furnace blower, directing the air in through a window and spraying all over the exterior with a spray bottle of soapy water. I've seen where other guys use a leaf blower or a commercial fan, anything that moves a lot of air will do the trick.

Here's a leak I discovered when doing the test:

I don't mean to start a mud-slinging contest, but I've put a great deal of thought into this whole idea of forced air leak testing. I know that some of the manufacturers do this, but the entire concept makes little sense. In what real world application would a leak ever be created due to interior forced-air? Trailers, like houses and buildings, aren't suposed to be a "sealed structure". They need to be able to breathe to some extent. Windows, doors, none of this is sealed. Just because you have an apparent leak due to the forced-air test doesn't necessarily mean that you have an actual water leak from the outside-in. Butyl tape is a flexible gasket, not a sealant. Forced-air creates a totally unnatural situation.

Or you can do your test, fix whatever leaks you think you have, take the rig for a drive, come home and repeat...and repeat...
dadmomh
Explorer
Oct 02, 2014
So far I haven't seen anything positive to comment on. Sorry, but I think this is one of those "lesson learned" things.
Lantley
Nomad
Oct 01, 2014
Jayco-noslide wrote:
Consider it a huge learning experience. Your errors started by paying the asking price. There are red flags everywhere about this unit.

I kind of agree with the above . Consider it a lesson learned . You saw all the red flags but proceeded with the deal anyway.
If dealership is willing to reconcile without a fuss, fine. But if it becomes a battle or a hassle then let it go. Learn from your mistake and move on.
Jayco-noslide
Explorer
Oct 01, 2014
Consider it a huge learning experience. Your errors started by paying the asking price. There are red flags everywhere about this unit.
rbpru
Explorer II
Oct 01, 2014
Buy now, fix later, seems to rarely works.

If the dealer is willing to do the repairs that is good but remember in the busy season repairs can take weeks.

Good Luck
kcmoedoe
Explorer
Oct 01, 2014
Candie4749 wrote:
We were told we had three days after pick-up to cancel the deal. We purchased in Indiana as well.
You were given incorrect information, unless the seller made a three day right of rescission part of the sales contract. The law regarding 3 day rescission pertains to situations where the seller has come to your home, basically door to door salesmen. The logic behind the law is you really can't just walk away if you are in your home. It does not apply to purchases made in stores and other places of business. In my opinion, useless the buyer could prove the dealer knew of the defects and actively concealed those defects, his strategy should be talk to the dealer and hope for the best, all the while expecting the worst.
camperforlife
Explorer
Oct 01, 2014
cile01 wrote:
I should have known when orig. salesman didn't know about unit for sale, and no picture online, that there might be a problem. This was for a used 2011 21BH Cataline TT bought in the state of IN.

Provided listed stock # and salesman was able to find unit. Arranged for inspection. Showed up and salesman was busy, so another person showed me the unit. Immediately upon walking into the TT, there was a piece of luann on the floor to the right of the door. Person showing even commented on wonder why that there.

Didn't discover any forthcoming problems and put money down on Sat. Unit wouldn't be avail. until Wed. for pickup. Systems had to be checked.

Upon pickup, all tanks had been filled to check out systems. Clean tank had busted supports and was resting on axle. I mentioned this but really needed to get trailer on the road to new job. Drained tank for ride home and fixed support issue at home.

After walking inside trailer where luann was, there was a soft spot. Pulled up linoleum to find a rotted spot approx. 1x1 foot. I also proceeded to fix this.

Called dealer to speak with salesman. He was so apologetic and said he would speak to GM about issue. I had paid asking price of $9995, no haggle. Then requested $1000 in return for issues. That was Sat., this is Wed. and no response.

The bill of sale does disclose "as is". But I'm wondering if such problems, especially the known rotted floor should have been disclosed. Appears to be shady deal to me.

Where to from here. Email dealer? Contact BBB? Chalk it up to me being a dumbass............

Call the dealer and talk to them. What dealer was it? There are good ones and then there are the rest...
Candie4749
Explorer
Oct 01, 2014
I guess the dealer we purchased from was just giving us the three days as a courtesy. We purchased a 2011 Catalina 22FBS In June no issues with ours though it looks like it was barely used.