Dodge all in on electric too 500 mile range Ram

Bumpyroad wrote:
this thread has certainly jumped off the rails. lets rebuild all of our RV parks to accommodate a few outliers.
bumpy

Every thread that mentions EVs is "WE CAN'T! WE CAN'T! WE CAN'T!" but as soon as somebody says "Maybe we can if we try" the thread has left the rails.
3 COE campgrounds I use most often have, over the last few years, upgraded the power system to accommodate 50 AMP rigs. (When my house was built the main breaker was 50 AMP) Not that long ago, the few 2 AC rigs where "outliers"

nickthehunter wrote:
The campgrounds that choose to upgrade, can’t do so without significant cost. So they raise rates to cover the costs.So now you have a new wrinkle. Do you go down the road as you suggest at significantly more cost? Or maybe you just take a short trip to the local mall and charge your EV.

Significant costs, yes. But if the mall down the road, and the motel up the road upgrades, the cost will be spread over both population and time.
And most of that "Cost" is not removed from area, but spent repeatedly in the area.

valhalla360 wrote:

Bumpyroad wrote:
when discussing range, is that running the batteries all the way down or leaving an appropriate amount?
bumpy

Even more important is speed and driving conditions.

EV cars excel at city driving because they can use regenerative braking. On the freeway, there is no way to recoup the aerodynamic losses and towing a brick at 70mph, aerodynamic losses are the bulk of the losses.

So how exactly are they defining "500 mile range". Even empty, it might be significantly shorter running at freeway speeds.

As far as campground charging, I don't see much of an issue off season if there are a few stray EVs kicking around. The problem comes prime time when a lot of RV park electrical systems already struggle and there are a significant number of EVs charging for all they are worth.
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That pretty much nailed it. Again from personal experience. Speed absolutely affects the range. For example. We live in the interior of BC and most of our miles are on secondary mountain highways where speed limits are seldom over 90 kmh and quite often below that because of passing thru small towns. Under these conditions it is easy, and I mean EASY to achieve the EPA range rating for the car. Ow if we jump on the Coquihalla to Vancouver (similar time an American Interstate ) our expected range is closer to about 80 percent of the EPA rated range...and that is without towing a trailer. Having said that we don’t tow over 90 kmh anyway. That’s just how we roll and it’s the recommended towing speed in the province.

To your last paragraph. The charge rate is adjustable on our car from 5 amps to 48 amps. 120 or 240. So power sharing is possible. I don’t know about other EV’s. As well, the portable EVSE (charge cable) that comes with the car plugs into a 14-50 receptacle can only go to max 32 amps at 240 volts and 24 amps at 120 volts (if used on a TT30 30 amp site).

Not an expert.

Cheers.

JRscooby wrote:

valhalla360 wrote:


As far as campground charging, I don't see much of an issue off season if there are a few stray EVs kicking around. The problem comes prime time when a lot of RV park electrical systems already struggle and there are a significant number of EVs charging for all they are worth.

You say the CG has power problems now, so they can't charge more than a few EVs, a few times a year. But all cars are not replaced every year. And for some time many that are replaced will be replaced with ICE vehicles. So it will not be none to 100%, (or even 50%) in even a year. So the capitalist that owns the CG that does not allow charging will see more of there customers go down the road to 1 that will. Choice will be made, and I bet most will upgrade the power system. And the upgraded system will help everybody that uses the CG, and everybody that lives in the area.

The campgrounds that choose to upgrade, can’t do so without significant cost. So they raise rates to cover the costs.So now you have a new wrinkle. Do you go down the road as you suggest at significantly more cost? Or maybe you just take a short trip to the local mall and charge your EV.

this thread has certainly jumped off the rails. lets rebuild all of our RV parks to accommodate a few outliers.
bumpy

valhalla360 wrote:


As far as campground charging, I don't see much of an issue off season if there are a few stray EVs kicking around. The problem comes prime time when a lot of RV park electrical systems already struggle and there are a significant number of EVs charging for all they are worth.

You say the CG has power problems now, so they can't charge more than a few EVs, a few times a year. But all cars are not replaced every year. And for some time many that are replaced will be replaced with ICE vehicles. So it will not be none to 100%, (or even 50%) in even a year. So the capitalist that owns the CG that does not allow charging will see more of there customers go down the road to 1 that will. Choice will be made, and I bet most will upgrade the power system. And the upgraded system will help everybody that uses the CG, and everybody that lives in the area.

Bumpyroad wrote:
when discussing range, is that running the batteries all the way down or leaving an appropriate amount?
bumpy

Even more important is speed and driving conditions.

EV cars excel at city driving because they can use regenerative braking. On the freeway, there is no way to recoup the aerodynamic losses and towing a brick at 70mph, aerodynamic losses are the bulk of the losses.

So how exactly are they defining "500 mile range". Even empty, it might be significantly shorter running at freeway speeds.

As far as campground charging, I don't see much of an issue off season if there are a few stray EVs kicking around. The problem comes prime time when a lot of RV park electrical systems already struggle and there are a significant number of EVs charging for all they are worth.

Keep in mind, your average RV is likely only going to pull 1/3-1/2 the rated capability running air/con and a few other things. EVs used for towing will be pulling the max continuous rating for hours. That along with the power for the RV house loads, means those over taxed systems are going to see 2-4 times the draw on EV tow vehicle sites. If they become a significant percentage of sites, you will see a lot of problems (or more likely prohibitions against charging vehicles).

Reisender wrote:

wapiticountry wrote:
It has been beaten around endlessly, but the vast majority of RV parks are wired in such a way that they are incapable of supplying electricity to RVs and support the charging of EVs. Even if the local power provider could provide the additional capacity to the park, the park would need to be completely required. That would likely cost multiple hundreds of thousands of dollars. People with EVs can often make RV Parks work today because an EV in a park is an anomaly.

Meh. Parks will adapt. People want and are willing to pay for services. Parks want revenue. Parks that adapt will thrive. Parks that don’t will fade away.

Jmho.

Amen to that cash is king and the parks will do this for extra cash. They don't need to rewire the whole park tomorrow or even in the next several years.

500 shows there is competition in specifications. Just like the HP/TQ of the old diesels.
Power Wagon of the future might be about max battery power ;)

Reisender wrote:

wapiticountry wrote:

Meh. Parks will adapt. People want and are willing to pay for services. Parks want revenue. Parks that adapt will thrive. Parks that don’t will fade away.
Jmho.

People may be willing to pay and parks may adapt, but you have forgotten #1 and that's where they make the power. If you don't have enough to serve the need, don't expect others to reduce their daily needs to accommodate EV needs.

wapiticountry wrote:
It has been beaten around endlessly, but the vast majority of RV parks are wired in such a way that they are incapable of supplying electricity to RVs and support the charging of EVs. Even if the local power provider could provide the additional capacity to the park, the park would need to be completely required. That would likely cost multiple hundreds of thousands of dollars. People with EVs can often make RV Parks work today because an EV in a park is an anomaly.

Meh. Parks will adapt. People want and are willing to pay for services. Parks want revenue. Parks that adapt will thrive. Parks that don’t will fade away.

Jmho.