This is the last of the major vehicle manufactures to go all in on electric vehicleshttps://www.forbes.com/wheels/news/electric-ram-1500-pickup-in-2024/

That’s terrific! The key to selling electric trucks is range.

Lwiddis wrote:That’s terrific! The key to selling electric trucks is range.The key to selling electric trucks, to RVers, is definitely RANGE. This has yet to be accomplished and probably will take much longer to achieve.

Range AND short charge time. No one wants to sit an hour or two waiting. I know, overnight with that range, but where can you find a campground with charge stations? Even now, folks that want FHU or even just E-W have a tough time unless you go to a private location. How many camp in NP or SP?? And how many have charging stations, or even the capacity to build some or enough for that market.We're a ways from that, but have embarked upon that journey as slow as it might be with today's technology.

monkey44 wrote:Range AND short charge time. No one wants to sit an hour or two waiting. I know, overnight with that range, but where can you find a campground with charge stations? Even now, folks that want FHU or even just E-W have a tough time unless you go to a private location. How many camp in NP or SP?? And how many have charging stations, or even the capacity to build some or enough for that market.We're a ways from that, but have embarked upon that journey as slow as it might be with today's technology.This should fix your range anxiety.https://futurism.com/ev-charging-roads-sweden

Range is one thing, range and being able to do it with a load and/or pulling a trailer is a whole other ball of wax. Going 500 miles empty isn't worth a second look if they can't make something to pull a trailer, (20') for maybe a third of the distance before the bunny dies.

Dodge all in on electric too 500 mile range Ram

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Reisender
Nomad
Feb 14, 2022
valhalla360 wrote:
goducks10 wrote:
Geezus the whole CG doesn't have to upgrade tomorrow. Upgrade 2-3 spots for EV's and that should cover the trend for the next 5 years or whatever. Honestly how many EV'ers are going to buy a trailer to camp with anyways? Probably very few in the next 5 years.

Except, it's often the main feed to the park that is limited. 2-3 fast charging stations may require an additional 400-500amps with a main feed that is already struggling during peak summer conditions.

I can’t see the need for a fast charge station in an RV park. Fast chargers are needed for road trips. People are usually in a park for a day or more.

Jmho.
valhalla360
Navigator
Feb 14, 2022
goducks10 wrote:
Geezus the whole CG doesn't have to upgrade tomorrow. Upgrade 2-3 spots for EV's and that should cover the trend for the next 5 years or whatever. Honestly how many EV'ers are going to buy a trailer to camp with anyways? Probably very few in the next 5 years.

Except, it's often the main feed to the park that is limited. 2-3 fast charging stations may require an additional 400-500amps with a main feed that is already struggling during peak summer conditions.
valhalla360
Navigator
Feb 14, 2022
Reisender wrote:
To your last paragraph. The charge rate is adjustable on our car from 5 amps to 48 amps. 120 or 240. So power sharing is possible. I don’t know about other EV’s. As well, the portable EVSE (charge cable) that comes with the car plugs into a 14-50 receptacle can only go to max 32 amps at 240 volts and 24 amps at 120 volts (if used on a TT30 30 amp site).

Not an expert.

Cheers.

The problem is how does the campground police the charge rate?

Assuming this is just your standard 50amp pedestal with no internal logic, if they come in with a 300amp-hr battery bank on fumes and want to head out in the morning, good luck charging at 5amps and if they can get away with it, they will be pulling as many amps as the pedestal will provide.
Reisender
Nomad
Feb 14, 2022
stsmark wrote:
Correct me if wrong, but the existing infrastructure at sites I’ve been at is either 30A 120V or 50A 120V. There’s just not enough power there to get a large overnight charge.

Hi Stmark. No. The power on a 50 amp site is 50 amp 240. That’s sufficient for a decent charge overnight. Inside an EV the panel splits it so the RV never sees more than 120 volts.

The 30 amp is at 120 volts and is not that great although we have used it. If one is at a site for a day or two one could get a decent charge. Not ideal though. We carry an adapter for our EVSE that allows us to use a 30 amp TT30 receptacle. It limits the current to 24 amps.

Hope that helps.

Cheers.

Not an expert.
d1h
Nomad III
Feb 14, 2022
They are going to have to pry my hands off the steering wheel of my ICE truck before I go electric.
stsmark
Explorer
Feb 14, 2022
Correct me if wrong, but the existing infrastructure at sites I’ve been at is either 30A 120V or 50A 120V. There’s just not enough power there to get a large overnight charge.
Reisender
Nomad
Feb 14, 2022
wapiticountry wrote:
Reisender wrote:

Other than some sort of emergency I can't imagine any EV owner going to an RV park to charge on a level 2 charger. A level 3 DC fast charger is a MUCH better and probably 5 to 50 times faster.

As indicated earlier basic EV charging services can be offered with zero investment. Its a no brainer for a campground owner to take advantage of that.

JMHO
Free? Really? Some benefactor is going to come to a park, supply the charging unit, provide and bury the wiring, repair any landscaping or other infrastructure that might be idamaged while burying the one, hire the electrician to wire it into the park’s electrical system etc. And on top of that it’s a no brained., which begs the question are most RV park owners stupid, because most parks haven’t taken a ride on your self described gravy train.

No. You misunderstand. The infrastructure is already there. The EVer already has all the equipment. He just plugs into the existing available receptacle. This already happens now. In my experience it’s either the EV or RV but not both at the same time. Not a perfect solution. But allows the campground owner to provide a basic charging service with zero investment. It’s just a simple upcharge on the site. Works well although there are obviously limitations and not all RVers are okay with dry camping for the first night. For us it’s not a big deal. But I’m sure it would depend on the rig, climate, personalities etc.

Cheers.
Reisender
Nomad
Feb 14, 2022
Huntindog wrote:
goducks10 wrote:
Geezus the whole CG doesn't have to upgrade tomorrow. Upgrade 2-3 spots for EV's and that should cover the trend for the next 5 years or whatever. Honestly how many EV'ers are going to buy a trailer to camp with anyways? Probably very few in the next 5 years.
It is not as simple as adding an outlet. The wiring will need to be upgraded. And the most cost effective way would be to it all at once....But then the utility company will likely need to upgrade it's wiring to the campground.. and upgrades would likely be needed further on up the supply as well line.

In my opinion I’ll say both yes and no. So yes, upgrades required if the KOA approach is taken and a J1772 handle on every pedestal is installed.

No if a basic charge service is offered along the lines of either the RV is plugged in or the EV is plugged but not both. This works for many depending on climate conditions etc. Not a perfect solution, but presently works quite well for campgrounds and RVers alike. An immediate albeit less than perfect solution that immediately creates a revenue stream for the park owner.

Infrastructure changes take time. It all starts with small steps.

All JMHO.

Not an expert.
wapiticountry
Explorer
Feb 14, 2022
Reisender wrote:

Other than some sort of emergency I can't imagine any EV owner going to an RV park to charge on a level 2 charger. A level 3 DC fast charger is a MUCH better and probably 5 to 50 times faster.

As indicated earlier basic EV charging services can be offered with zero investment. Its a no brainer for a campground owner to take advantage of that.

JMHO
Free? Really? Some benefactor is going to come to a park, supply the charging unit, provide and bury the wiring, repair any landscaping or other infrastructure that might be idamaged while burying the one, hire the electrician to wire it into the park’s electrical system etc. And on top of that it’s a no brained., which begs the question are most RV park owners stupid, because most parks haven’t taken a ride on your self described gravy train.
Huntindog
Explorer
Feb 13, 2022
goducks10 wrote:
Geezus the whole CG doesn't have to upgrade tomorrow. Upgrade 2-3 spots for EV's and that should cover the trend for the next 5 years or whatever. Honestly how many EV'ers are going to buy a trailer to camp with anyways? Probably very few in the next 5 years.
It is not as simple as adding an outlet. The wiring will need to be upgraded. And the most cost effective way would be to it all at once....But then the utility company will likely need to upgrade it's wiring to the campground.. and upgrades would likely be needed further on up the supply as well line.

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