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martyn8677
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Aug 12, 2014

Door #1 or Door #2

Ready to buy a camper and I'm down to two. Really struggling with this and thought I would ask for some feedback.

Both dealers are giving me the same exact amount for my trade in, so that is a wash. Both campers have the same options on them generally. I would be happy with either as an upgrade over my current camper.

Camper 1 is a 2009 Lance, 60 hours on the generator so lightly used, dealer certified. I prefer this floor plan of the two. I can buy it for $3,000 BELOW NADA Low Retail, but I have to travel 1,100 miles to pick it up.

Camper 2 is an 2012 Adventurer, literally looks brand new inside. 5 hours on the generator. I can buy this camper for $1,300 ABOVE NADA Low Retail, and only travel 300 miles to get it.

My out of pocket cost is $1,200 more for Camper 2 the Adventurer, but travel expense will be much less obviously.

Purely on numbers and like new condition, I would go with Camper 2. But I keep going back to Camper 1 being my preferred floor plan and NADA values Lance $3,000 - $4,000 higher than the Adventurer, though NADA does not take into account how new/unused the Adventurer is versus the Lance. It simply values both as used.

Haha, hope this isn't too confusing.

Thoughts?
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  • monkey44's avatar
    monkey44
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    Aug 13, 2014
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    Take your time, you'll own it for years, and enjoy it so much, you'll forget the headache finding it.

    You're lucky you have so many choices - lots of guys on here have a hard time finding even ONE they want in and area they live.
  • martyn8677's avatar
    martyn8677
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    Aug 13, 2014
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    Lol, since I originally posted this thread......there is now a Door #3 and Door #4. Haha. My head hurts.

    Thanks for all of the responses.
  • Super_Dave's avatar
    Super_Dave
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    Aug 13, 2014
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    Marty,
    Taking all the technical reasons given to pick one over the other, just don't let inconvenience make your decision.
  • 805gregg's avatar
    805gregg
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    Aug 13, 2014
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    Get the Lance better resale when you decide to let it go, when you are on the road you will see 2 or 3 Lance camper to every other brand, there is a reason
  • Sparky87k5's avatar
    Sparky87k5
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    Aug 13, 2014
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    I would buy the Adventurer as I believe they have better quality construction methods. Being newer helps my decision too, and closer to inspect helps even more. When the time comes to sell it, 3 years newer will help some there too.
  • bighatnohorse's avatar
    bighatnohorse
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    Aug 13, 2014
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    Your post was well-stated.
    And the replies equally balanced.

    I'm like yourself; a numbers guy.
    And would take #2 Adventurer for the following reason:
    Floor plan is more important - but "newer" does have more value and will show up in resale or insurance replacement.

    (Plus, "newer" has another hidden feature due to the recent recession. Many lost their jobs. . .the best stayed on or were snatched up by other companies. A newer camper is statistically more likely to have been built by someone who cares.)

    So they are of equal value in my decision tree.
    I'd go with the numbers.
  • MN_Ben's avatar
    MN_Ben
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    Aug 13, 2014
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    If you do go see the Lance, and you end up wanting to purchase it, I would make sure it is ready to take home with you. When I purchased mine, the dealer wanted a day to make sure it was all ready to go, I suppose if he had found something, he may have to order a part. I went back the following week to get the walk through with the lead Tech service guy. I guess what I am saying is, you probably dont want to make the trip twice. Ensure the overhead clears the cab and oh yeah, Lance has its own 5 way plug. I brought mine home using magnetic trailer tow lights..... taped to the aluminum bumper.
    Good luck.
  • Reality_Check's avatar
    Reality_Check
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    Aug 13, 2014
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    billtex wrote:
    I'm w/bedlam on this one...

    I also would not buy ANY camper I have not seen/inspected in person.

    Good luck.

    Bill


    whizbang wrote:
    Have you seen either camper in person yet?

    Don't decide or buy until you do.


    martyn8677 wrote:
    I have seen the Adventurer. Looks brand new inside. I would not be able to see the Lance before making the trip. That, as much as anything, has me leaning toward the Adventurer.


    In agreement... gotta see it. Our last one, I had a couple of phone calls with the seller (broker) and then set up a quick trip down to look. My comment to him was, if it's as you describe, as the pic's show, no problems, no bickering, I'll buy it. On the long distance buys, the seller has to be as confident that you're not a flake as you are that the item is basically as described.

    I flew down one evening, checked it out, paid for it the next morning and flew home. Entire trip including my travel time to the airport was 17 hrs including my sleep. Well worth it. 2 1/2 hour flight each way too.

    Got miles? makes it a bit more affordable.
  • 3_tons's avatar
    3_tons
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    Aug 13, 2014
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    martyn8677 wrote:
    I have seen the Adventurer. Looks brand new inside. I would not be able to see the Lance before making the trip. That, as much as anything, has me leaning toward the Adventurer.


    This is where I'd place my money...The old adage, "You get what you pay for" is typically the case. JMO.
  • martyn8677's avatar
    martyn8677
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    Aug 13, 2014
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    I have seen the Adventurer. Looks brand new inside. I would not be able to see the Lance before making the trip. That, as much as anything, has me leaning toward the Adventurer.

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Really struggling with this and thought I would ask for some feedback.

Both dealers are giving me the same exact amount for my trade in, so that is a wash. Both campers have the same options on them generally. I would be happy with either as an upgrade over my current camper.

Camper 1 is a 2009 Lance, 60 hours on the generator so lightly used, dealer certified. I prefer this floor plan of the two. I can buy it for $3,000 BELOW NADA Low Retail, but I have to travel 1,100 miles to pick it up.

Camper 2 is an 2012 Adventurer, literally looks brand new inside. 5 hours on the generator. I can buy this camper for $1,300 ABOVE NADA Low Retail, and only travel 300 miles to get it.

My out of pocket cost is $1,200 more for Camper 2 the Adventurer, but travel expense will be much less obviously.

Purely on numbers and like new condition, I would go with Camper 2. But I keep going back to Camper 1 being my preferred floor plan and NADA values Lance $3,000 - $4,000 higher than the Adventurer, though NADA does not take into account how new/unused the Adventurer is versus the Lance. It simply values both as used.

Haha, hope this isn't too confusing.

Thoughts?","body@stringLength":"1289","rawBody":"Ready to buy a camper and I'm down to two. Really struggling with this and thought I would ask for some feedback.

Both dealers are giving me the same exact amount for my trade in, so that is a wash. Both campers have the same options on them generally. I would be happy with either as an upgrade over my current camper.

Camper 1 is a 2009 Lance, 60 hours on the generator so lightly used, dealer certified. I prefer this floor plan of the two. I can buy it for $3,000 BELOW NADA Low Retail, but I have to travel 1,100 miles to pick it up.

Camper 2 is an 2012 Adventurer, literally looks brand new inside. 5 hours on the generator. I can buy this camper for $1,300 ABOVE NADA Low Retail, and only travel 300 miles to get it.

My out of pocket cost is $1,200 more for Camper 2 the Adventurer, but travel expense will be much less obviously.

Purely on numbers and like new condition, I would go with Camper 2. But I keep going back to Camper 1 being my preferred floor plan and NADA values Lance $3,000 - $4,000 higher than the Adventurer, though NADA does not take into account how new/unused the Adventurer is versus the Lance. It simply values both as used.

Haha, hope this isn't too confusing.

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Taking all the technical reasons given to pick one over the other, just don't let inconvenience make your 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Being newer helps my decision too, and closer to inspect helps even more. 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And the replies equally balanced.

I'm like yourself; a numbers guy.
And would take #2 Adventurer for the following reason:
Floor plan is more important - but \"newer\" does have more value and will show up in resale or insurance replacement.

(Plus, \"newer\" has another hidden feature due to the recent recession. Many lost their jobs. . .the best stayed on or were snatched up by other companies. A newer camper is statistically more likely to have been built by someone who cares.)

So they are of equal value in my decision tree.
I'd go with the numbers.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2014-08-13T06:59:54.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2014-08-13T06:59:54.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":373},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:1379933/message:1379955","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"635","rawBody":"Your post was well-stated.
And the replies equally balanced.

I'm like yourself; a numbers guy.
And would take #2 Adventurer for the following reason:
Floor plan is more important - but \"newer\" does have more value and will show up in resale or insurance replacement.

(Plus, \"newer\" has another hidden feature due to the recent recession. Many lost their jobs. . .the best stayed on or were snatched up by other companies. A newer camper is statistically more likely to have been built by someone who cares.)

So they are of equal value in my decision tree.
I'd go with the numbers.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1379955_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"User:user:168304":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:168304","uid":168304,"login":"MN_Ben","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2007-07-11T23:41:17.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-12.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:168304"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1379954":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1379954","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1379954":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:168304"},"id":"message:1379954","revisionNum":1,"uid":1379954,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1379933"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1379933"},"subject":"Re: Door #1 or Door #2","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1379954"},"body":"If you do go see the Lance, and you end up wanting to purchase it, I would make sure it is ready to take home with you. When I purchased mine, the dealer wanted a day to make sure it was all ready to go, I suppose if he had found something, he may have to order a part. I went back the following week to get the walk through with the lead Tech service guy. I guess what I am saying is, you probably dont want to make the trip twice. Ensure the overhead clears the cab and oh yeah, Lance has its own 5 way plug. I brought mine home using magnetic trailer tow lights..... taped to the aluminum bumper.
Good luck.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2014-08-12T19:43:41.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2014-08-12T19:43:41.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":373},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:1379933/message:1379954","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"615","rawBody":"If you do go see the Lance, and you end up wanting to purchase it, I would make sure it is ready to take home with you. When I purchased mine, the dealer wanted a day to make sure it was all ready to go, I suppose if he had found something, he may have to order a part. I went back the following week to get the walk through with the lead Tech service guy. I guess what I am saying is, you probably dont want to make the trip twice. Ensure the overhead clears the cab and oh yeah, Lance has its own 5 way plug. I brought mine home using magnetic trailer tow lights..... taped to the aluminum bumper.
Good luck.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1379954_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"User:user:258803":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:258803","uid":258803,"login":"Reality_Check","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2007-08-29T21:54:22.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-2.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:38"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:258803"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1379953":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1379953","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1379953":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:258803"},"id":"message:1379953","revisionNum":1,"uid":1379953,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1379933"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1379933"},"subject":"Re: Door #1 or Door #2","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1379953"},"body":"
billtex wrote:
I'm w/bedlam on this one...

I also would not buy ANY camper I have not seen/inspected in person.

Good luck.

Bill


whizbang wrote:
Have you seen either camper in person yet?

Don't decide or buy until you do.


martyn8677 wrote:
I have seen the Adventurer. Looks brand new inside. I would not be able to see the Lance before making the trip. That, as much as anything, has me leaning toward the Adventurer.


In agreement... gotta see it. Our last one, I had a couple of phone calls with the seller (broker) and then set up a quick trip down to look. My comment to him was, if it's as you describe, as the pic's show, no problems, no bickering, I'll buy it. On the long distance buys, the seller has to be as confident that you're not a flake as you are that the item is basically as described.

I flew down one evening, checked it out, paid for it the next morning and flew home. Entire trip including my travel time to the airport was 17 hrs including my sleep. Well worth it. 2 1/2 hour flight each way too.

Got miles? makes it a bit more affordable.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2014-08-12T19:37:57.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2014-08-12T19:37:57.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":373},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:1379933/message:1379953","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"1261","rawBody":"
billtex wrote:
I'm w/bedlam on this one...

I also would not buy ANY camper I have not seen/inspected in person.

Good luck.

Bill


whizbang wrote:
Have you seen either camper in person yet?

Don't decide or buy until you do.


martyn8677 wrote:
I have seen the Adventurer. Looks brand new inside. I would not be able to see the Lance before making the trip. That, as much as anything, has me leaning toward the Adventurer.


In agreement... gotta see it. Our last one, I had a couple of phone calls with the seller (broker) and then set up a quick trip down to look. My comment to him was, if it's as you describe, as the pic's show, no problems, no bickering, I'll buy it. On the long distance buys, the seller has to be as confident that you're not a flake as you are that the item is basically as described.

I flew down one evening, checked it out, paid for it the next morning and flew home. Entire trip including my travel time to the airport was 17 hrs including my sleep. Well worth it. 2 1/2 hour flight each way too.

Got miles? makes it a bit more affordable.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1379953_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"Rank:rank:40":{"__typename":"Rank","id":"rank:40","position":31,"name":"Explorer III","color":"333333","icon":null,"rankStyle":"TEXT"},"User:user:336183":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:336183","uid":336183,"login":"3_tons","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2009-03-13T16:17:19.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-4.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:40"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:336183"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1379952":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1379952","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1379952":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:336183"},"id":"message:1379952","revisionNum":1,"uid":1379952,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1379933"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1379933"},"subject":"Re: Door #1 or Door #2","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1379952"},"body":"
martyn8677 wrote:
I have seen the Adventurer. Looks brand new inside. I would not be able to see the Lance before making the trip. That, as much as anything, has me leaning toward the Adventurer.


This is where I'd place my money...The old adage, \"You get what you pay for\" is typically the case. JMO.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2014-08-12T19:09:47.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2014-08-12T19:09:47.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":373},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:1379933/message:1379952","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"344","rawBody":"
martyn8677 wrote:
I have seen the Adventurer. Looks brand new inside. I would not be able to see the Lance before making the trip. That, as much as anything, has me leaning toward the Adventurer.


This is where I'd place my money...The old adage, \"You get what you pay for\" is typically the case. JMO.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1379952_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1379951":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1379951","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1379951":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:242735"},"id":"message:1379951","revisionNum":1,"uid":1379951,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1379933"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1379933"},"subject":"Re: Door #1 or Door #2","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1379951"},"body":"I have seen the Adventurer. Looks brand new inside. I would not be able to see the Lance before making the trip. 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