Electric and ICE forever together?

No one knows the future of batteries and fuel capability and related costs.

What is known is that Detroit resists change until they are given no choice. Don't think that Californias leading edge requirements won't effect other states etc as California alone has a significant market share.

Just my opinion.

ktmrfs wrote:
predicting the future more than 10 years from now is pretty likely to be wrong.

Often true but in this case ten years isn not that far out,
-EV are only a little more than 5% of the market right now, and that is mostly on the left coast.
-Even with massive government subsidies, EV are very expensive
-Range anxiety confirmed
-Lack of working fast chargers or any chargers for that matter
-Even fast chargers can take 45 minutes to recharge an EV vs 5 minutes inb a gas station for an ICE
-There are not enough materials: copper, lithium, cobalt, nickel and other materials to switch to all EV manufacture.
- Greenies are blocking more mining in the US and other nations of the above materials. And there aren't enough known deposits anyway.
- This current winter really showed even the EV converts the shortcomings of EV

The sales guy is correct IMO, perhaps not in California or states who have decided that California knows best. I’ve recently read two different articles that will impact the movement to all electric vehicles. One article discussed the creation of carbon neutral eFuels made from captured carbon and water. Germany stated (per article) they won’t support the EU’s no more ICE vehicles unless eFuels are allowed. Second article was Hydrogen fueled vehicles, which are already available in some countries or states. The by product of using Hydrogen it it produces water. From what I’ve read, both of these alternatives can be distributed through existing infrastructure, and thus allows you to fill up at the same speed as petroleum based fuels.

As I recall, Ford is committed to build ICE based trucks as current or foreseeable, battery powered trucks are not sufficiently capable to haul heavy loads.

I doubt there will be many small to medium gas cars or SUV’s manufactured. The gas market for these size of vehicles will be very small in 12 years. But larger vehicles, 3/4 and bigger trucks are not affected by any proposed North American legislation. I’m sure there will still be manufacturing of them. I would think the majority of half tons will be electric though. The technology will have changed so much by then.

A car salesman has no clue what the future of the ICE may or may not be. As the old saying goes, you know he’s lying when his lips are moving!

While I would be shocked if we were to go 100% battery by 2035...your average car salesman has no special insight.

It likely will be segmented. Local delivery vans, school busses, etc.., could be near 100%. I could see 25-50% of new cars being battery powered. 3/4 & 1 ton pickups are likely to be ICE for much longer.

d1h wrote:
Don't know if he was just feeding me a line or was giving me factual information.

Just a line to give comfort that what ever you decide to buy today you will be able to change your mind in the future.
"buy today" are the key words here. ;)

It all depends on the technology, the electric grid, the government, the buyers, and so on.


I'm not buying anything in the current climate. Who knows what will happen tomorrow. With my luck, I'd end up with the betamax of car engines...

“Was told by a car salesman…..” That’s your clue that if whatever the person said is true, it is either pure coincidence or solely beneficial to the person stating it….

predicting the future more than 10 years from now is pretty likely to be wrong.