Electric vehicle mandate in California

The interesting thing I read yesterday was the rotating outages were forced because a 750 mw surge plant was down for maintenance. Then in the peak a 500 mw tripped off. The article actually said then the problem really compounded when, wait for it.. the sun went down and all the solar dropped off. I know PG&E is planning a large battery installation in Moss Landing on the coast.

nickthehunter wrote:

time2roll wrote:

Reisender wrote:

2oldman wrote:

ppine wrote:
Now the president wants to repeal the rules used to achieve this goal by going back to less efficient incandescent lights and appliances.

Seriously? I knew he was having a problem with his hair and toilets, but incandescent light? That's just prehistoric.

Rotary phone legislation coming.

MAGA. :).

Rotary seems modern. We could put many to work as switchboard operators and reduce connections going back to party lines.
Let's not even start with the MAGA Post Office. Pony express anyone?

You guys need to start smoking crack, I hear it relieves the symptoms of TDS.

Liberalism 101. When you can't win an argument start slinging mud.

time2roll wrote:

Reisender wrote:

2oldman wrote:

ppine wrote:
Now the president wants to repeal the rules used to achieve this goal by going back to less efficient incandescent lights and appliances.

Seriously? I knew he was having a problem with his hair and toilets, but incandescent light? That's just prehistoric.

Rotary phone legislation coming.

MAGA. :).

Rotary seems modern. We could put many to work as switchboard operators and reduce connections going back to party lines.
Let's not even start with the MAGA Post Office. Pony express anyone?

You guys need to start smoking crack, I hear it relieves the symptoms of TDS.

time2roll wrote:

JRscooby wrote:
Doesn't Cali also mandate solar power on residences? If most houses are producing much of their own power, will that reduce the stress on the distribution system?

When the sun is shining, Yes.
Crunch time happens as the sun goes down and people are running the A/C as they get home from work.

Really need more battery to shift capacity from afternoon to the evening. Last night by 9:30 all was good.

http://www.caiso.com/TodaysOutlook/Pages/default.aspx

Don't know about where you are, but around here, peak residential demand happens mid afternoon, when all ACs are working hard. As the sun goes down, the AC starts to cycle off for longer times.
Back in pre-industrial times, most food was consumed near where it was produced. Was no demand for a system to transport food for any distance. Stands to reason, if most power was produced near where it was consumed, would be less need to transmit the power

This is California, it doesn't have to make sense it just has to be different. That's why so many people are leaving the state.

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

tomman58 wrote:

mich800 wrote:

colliehauler wrote:
California has a mandate for electric vehicles in the future. Just read with the extreme heat PG&E will have rolling blackouts because of power shortage. Noticed this in previous years as well.

Do you think requiring electric vehicles is putting the cart before the horse in not having a updated power grid to handle the increased demand of charging electric vehicles?

I think mandating any type of technology is dangerous. It stifles development of competing and perhaps better technologies. Requiring a maximum emission output is one thing. Stating how you "must" get there seems illogical.

I disagree as anything that can be cheaper, more available and a better mouse trap will always float to the top of consumer desires.

Then why mandate it? :h

Because that is the progressive way of doing things. They narcissistically believe that only their idea is the best and they will force you to do what they want regardless of how much it will cost you. Also, giving people options based on what they can afford or prefer(older tech or ideas) is taking a step in the wrong direction to them and should not be allowed.

JRscooby wrote:
Doesn't Cali also mandate solar power on residences? If most houses are producing much of their own power, will that reduce the stress on the distribution system?

When the sun is shining, Yes.
Crunch time happens as the sun goes down and people are running the A/C as they get home from work.

Really need more battery to shift capacity from afternoon to the evening. Last night by 9:30 all was good.

http://www.caiso.com/TodaysOutlook/Pages/default.aspx

Doesn't Cali also mandate solar power on residences? If most houses are producing much of their own power, will that reduce the stress on the distribution system?

Reisender wrote:

2oldman wrote:

ppine wrote:
Now the president wants to repeal the rules used to achieve this goal by going back to less efficient incandescent lights and appliances.

Seriously? I knew he was having a problem with his hair and toilets, but incandescent light? That's just prehistoric.

Rotary phone legislation coming.

MAGA. :).

Rotary seems modern. We could put many to work as switchboard operators and reduce connections going back to party lines.
Let's not even start with the MAGA Post Office. Pony express anyone?

I shouldn't do this, but I spent a work lifetime beating the snot out of optimists, and I just have to keep doing it. Look at the graph on page 10 again, really look:

World Energy Usage

1. We continue to use more energy each year.
2. Renewables are only a tiny slice.
3. Coal, oil, gas, renewables, all increased, and
4. We humans used it ALL.

The caption from the bottom of the Graph:

Global energy consumption increased by 2.9% in 2018. Growth was the strongest since 2010 and almost double the 10-year average. The demand for all fuels increased but growth was particularly strong in the case of gas (168 mtoe, accounting for 43% of the global increase) and renewables (71 mtoe, 18% of the global increase). In the OECD, energy demand increased by 82 mtoe on the back of strong gas demand growth (70 mtoe). In the non-OECD, energy demand growth (308 mtoe) was more evenly distributed with gas (98 mtoe), coal (85 mtoe) and oil (47 mtoe) accounting for most of the growth.

Do what you want, as Asia and Africa follow our examples, more energy demand is sure to follow.

See Michael Moore and Jeff Gibbs, Planet of the Humans:

Planet of the Humans

Maybe you can believe the enviros, if not a Petroleum Engineer. Now you see my nightmare, I feel better, you?