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Aug 06, 2018

F-150 HDPP towing 37 ft TT ** 1,300 miles later**

2018 F150 3.5 EB, 4x4,XLT, S.Crew, 6.5ft bed, HDPP.

Payload: 2,470lbs, 1,320lbs hitch ratings.
Towing ratings:11,500lbs.

Trailer: 37ft, 8,400lbs dry/9,900lbs max, 1075lbs tongue.

The trailer had a half full freshwater tank and most of the items that I plan to leave in it permanently. The heaviest single item I might add to the truck is a girlfriend, and she is pretty fit. I would anticipate an extra 500lbs added pounds to both truck and trailer max.


I got the B.O. hitch setup, with the truck squatting 2" in the rear and raised 1/2" higher up front, so the truck actually sits level hooked up.

The weather conditions were dry with a 10-15 mph breeze.

Got up on I-70 eastbound and merged without effort, and before I knew it, I was flowing with traffic at 70 mph (Goodyear Endurance trailer tires). The trailer did not get pushed out or sucked in by passing cars or big rigs, not even when a tandem truck came barreling past me.

I prefer to drive 65 mph, because when I drove 70 mph, big rigs seemed hesitant to pass, but passed more often at 65 mph.

As the trucks passed, I was bracing for that pull/push that so many keep proclaiming I will suffer.

I did feel the trailer back there, but it was just more bouncing when hitting the overpass joints versus when not towing, and the rear wasn't as stiff-legged, and had more up and down movement versus when empty. I hear that Bilstein improve both town and non towing ride...next year project.

The steering wheel felt a bit lighter than not towing, but it was still accurate and didn't need anymore corrections than not towing.

I drove 75 mph just to see how the trailer would respond, and I did feel more movement back there, but never anything that made me feel swaying was occurring, and probably just me not used to how the trailer feels while towing.

I drove for several hours on both I-75 and I-70, with some time spent in the middle lane so I can feel traffic on both sides, and everything felt stable without any wandering from side to side.

When traffic suddenly slowed, the setup slowed pretty well, and I didn't feel pushed, but that the trailer was holding up its end regarding to braking, and I tested that quite a few more times.

After a while,the nervous anticipation of being passed by big rigs faded away, and I came away feeling pretty confident. I even forgot it was breezy out...lol.
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Payload: 2,470lbs, 1,320lbs hitch ratings.
Towing ratings:11,500lbs.

Trailer: 37ft, 8,400lbs dry/9,900lbs max, 1075lbs tongue.

The trailer had a half full freshwater tank and most of the items that I plan to leave in it permanently. The heaviest single item I might add to the truck is a girlfriend, and she is pretty fit. I would anticipate an extra 500lbs added pounds to both truck and trailer max.


I got the B.O. hitch setup, with the truck squatting 2\" in the rear and raised 1/2\" higher up front, so the truck actually sits level hooked up.

The weather conditions were dry with a 10-15 mph breeze.

Got up on I-70 eastbound and merged without effort, and before I knew it, I was flowing with traffic at 70 mph (Goodyear Endurance trailer tires). The trailer did not get pushed out or sucked in by passing cars or big rigs, not even when a tandem truck came barreling past me.

I prefer to drive 65 mph, because when I drove 70 mph, big rigs seemed hesitant to pass, but passed more often at 65 mph.

As the trucks passed, I was bracing for that pull/push that so many keep proclaiming I will suffer.

I did feel the trailer back there, but it was just more bouncing when hitting the overpass joints versus when not towing, and the rear wasn't as stiff-legged, and had more up and down movement versus when empty. I hear that Bilstein improve both town and non towing ride...next year project.

The steering wheel felt a bit lighter than not towing, but it was still accurate and didn't need anymore corrections than not towing.

I drove 75 mph just to see how the trailer would respond, and I did feel more movement back there, but never anything that made me feel swaying was occurring, and probably just me not used to how the trailer feels while towing.

I drove for several hours on both I-75 and I-70, with some time spent in the middle lane so I can feel traffic on both sides, and everything felt stable without any wandering from side to side.

When traffic suddenly slowed, the setup slowed pretty well, and I didn't feel pushed, but that the trailer was holding up its end regarding to braking, and I tested that quite a few more times.

After a while,the nervous anticipation of being passed by big rigs faded away, and I came away feeling pretty confident. I even forgot it was breezy out...lol.","body@stringLength":"2526","rawBody":"2018 F150 3.5 EB, 4x4,XLT, S.Crew, 6.5ft bed, HDPP.

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The trailer had a half full freshwater tank and most of the items that I plan to leave in it permanently. The heaviest single item I might add to the truck is a girlfriend, and she is pretty fit. I would anticipate an extra 500lbs added pounds to both truck and trailer max.


I got the B.O. hitch setup, with the truck squatting 2\" in the rear and raised 1/2\" higher up front, so the truck actually sits level hooked up.

The weather conditions were dry with a 10-15 mph breeze.

Got up on I-70 eastbound and merged without effort, and before I knew it, I was flowing with traffic at 70 mph (Goodyear Endurance trailer tires). The trailer did not get pushed out or sucked in by passing cars or big rigs, not even when a tandem truck came barreling past me.

I prefer to drive 65 mph, because when I drove 70 mph, big rigs seemed hesitant to pass, but passed more often at 65 mph.

As the trucks passed, I was bracing for that pull/push that so many keep proclaiming I will suffer.

I did feel the trailer back there, but it was just more bouncing when hitting the overpass joints versus when not towing, and the rear wasn't as stiff-legged, and had more up and down movement versus when empty. I hear that Bilstein improve both town and non towing ride...next year project.

The steering wheel felt a bit lighter than not towing, but it was still accurate and didn't need anymore corrections than not towing.

I drove 75 mph just to see how the trailer would respond, and I did feel more movement back there, but never anything that made me feel swaying was occurring, and probably just me not used to how the trailer feels while towing.

I drove for several hours on both I-75 and I-70, with some time spent in the middle lane so I can feel traffic on both sides, and everything felt stable without any wandering from side to side.

When traffic suddenly slowed, the setup slowed pretty well, and I didn't feel pushed, but that the trailer was holding up its end regarding to braking, and I tested that quite a few more times.

After a while,the nervous anticipation of being passed by big rigs faded away, and I came away feeling pretty confident. 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goducks10 wrote:
My wife has never towed any of our truck trailer combo's. One of the previous setups would've been a nightmare for her if she needed to tow in an emergency.
2010 F150 Max Tow + Heartland Northtrail 26LRSS @31' 7300 lbs. It was a handful to tow. Moved up to a 12 Ram CTD and it was very easy to tow.
Current Setup 2018 Ram 2500 + a 28' 5h wheel @9300 lbs is a joy to tow. Whether in the curvy mountain sections or down a long boring stretch of freeway with winds, it's always very easy to tow. My wife would have a much easier time towing the last setup in an emergency.
Point is, could someone who has never towed before be able to tow your current setup with out problems. And I'm not talking about backing into a tight spot or things like that. But could they get in and get it back home or at least to somewhere necessary? If yes then the setup is proper. If it would be too dangerous then the setup is not balanced.
Probably not a real good barometer for how some setups handle, but it's the gauge I use. If you're always feeling like you're needing to stay constantly on notice when towing then you're probably near the edge.

If it would be too dangerous then the setup is not balanced.


Not married, and my girlfriend drives a Hyundai Elantra, and she is constantly talking on the phone, and so distracted that she misses turns, scraping her wheels against the curb, and people are constantly blowing at her when the light turns green...so heck no!!

And plus, she hugs the the left portion of her lane, and often crossing over that she constantly crowd drivers on her left, and got pulled over because a cop though she was drinking and driving.

I wouldn't trust her driving my truck without the trailer.

In addition, she couldn't lash up a Blue Ox anyway, and if I had an emergency, I'd have my setup towed to a campground and just pay until I can travel...she can catch a flight.

If a person can't manage my setup, they would likely be in trouble towing much of anything else with decent length.

And what make you feel if my setup was dangerous to tow that I would want to tow it?...I'm no daredevil out here towing.

I'm not going to purchase a TV so I can drive in hurricane winds, earthquakes, icy roads on the North Pole, or down a mountain at 80mph.

On the other hand, I wouldn't want a setup that feels marginal and fragile in less than idea conditions either. Slowing down in adverse conditions is a small price to pay for all the extra benefits the HDPP deliver over a heavier truck, and that includes the diesel 1 ton ... the HDPP was the best overall option for me that I've seen yet.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2018-09-03T09:44:58.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2018-09-03T09:44:58.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":601},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:3081788/message:3081896","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"2780","rawBody":"
goducks10 wrote:
My wife has never towed any of our truck trailer combo's. One of the previous setups would've been a nightmare for her if she needed to tow in an emergency.
2010 F150 Max Tow + Heartland Northtrail 26LRSS @31' 7300 lbs. It was a handful to tow. Moved up to a 12 Ram CTD and it was very easy to tow.
Current Setup 2018 Ram 2500 + a 28' 5h wheel @9300 lbs is a joy to tow. Whether in the curvy mountain sections or down a long boring stretch of freeway with winds, it's always very easy to tow. My wife would have a much easier time towing the last setup in an emergency.
Point is, could someone who has never towed before be able to tow your current setup with out problems. And I'm not talking about backing into a tight spot or things like that. But could they get in and get it back home or at least to somewhere necessary? If yes then the setup is proper. If it would be too dangerous then the setup is not balanced.
Probably not a real good barometer for how some setups handle, but it's the gauge I use. If you're always feeling like you're needing to stay constantly on notice when towing then you're probably near the edge.

If it would be too dangerous then the setup is not balanced.


Not married, and my girlfriend drives a Hyundai Elantra, and she is constantly talking on the phone, and so distracted that she misses turns, scraping her wheels against the curb, and people are constantly blowing at her when the light turns green...so heck no!!

And plus, she hugs the the left portion of her lane, and often crossing over that she constantly crowd drivers on her left, and got pulled over because a cop though she was drinking and driving.

I wouldn't trust her driving my truck without the trailer.

In addition, she couldn't lash up a Blue Ox anyway, and if I had an emergency, I'd have my setup towed to a campground and just pay until I can travel...she can catch a flight.

If a person can't manage my setup, they would likely be in trouble towing much of anything else with decent length.

And what make you feel if my setup was dangerous to tow that I would want to tow it?...I'm no daredevil out here towing.

I'm not going to purchase a TV so I can drive in hurricane winds, earthquakes, icy roads on the North Pole, or down a mountain at 80mph.

On the other hand, I wouldn't want a setup that feels marginal and fragile in less than idea conditions either. Slowing down in adverse conditions is a small price to pay for all the extra benefits the HDPP deliver over a heavier truck, and that includes the diesel 1 ton ... the HDPP was the best overall option for me that I've seen yet.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":2,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3081896_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"Rank:rank:41":{"__typename":"Rank","id":"rank:41","position":33,"name":"Explorer II","color":"333333","icon":null,"rankStyle":"TEXT"},"User:user:374904":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:374904","uid":374904,"login":"Groover","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2007-10-17T07:18:36.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-10.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:41"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:374904"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3081895":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3081895","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3081895":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:374904"},"id":"message:3081895","revisionNum":1,"uid":3081895,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3081788"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3081788"},"subject":"Re: F-150 HDPP towing 37 ft TT ** 1,300 miles later**","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3081895"},"body":"
goducks10 wrote:
My wife has never towed any of our truck trailer combo's. One of the previous setups would've been a nightmare for her if she needed to tow in an emergency.
2010 F150 Max Tow + Heartland Northtrail 26LRSS @31' 7300 lbs. It was a handful to tow. Moved up to a 12 Ram CTD and it was very easy to tow.
Current Setup 2018 Ram 2500 + a 28' 5h wheel @9300 lbs is a joy to tow. Whether in the curvy mountain sections or down a long boring stretch of freeway with winds, it's always very easy to tow. My wife would have a much easier time towing the last setup in an emergency.
Point is, could someone who has never towed before be able to tow your current setup with out problems. And I'm not talking about backing into a tight spot or things like that. But could they get in and get it back home or at least to somewhere necessary? If yes then the setup is proper. If it would be too dangerous then the setup is not balanced.
Probably not a real good barometer for how some setups handle, but it's the gauge I use. If you're always feeling like you're needing to stay constantly on notice when towing then you're probably near the edge.


It is not a camper but I am towing over 11,000lbs with my 2016 F150 with max tow package. I have the LT tire option and keep a lot of tongue weight and it as stable as the F250 that it replaced and it has a lot more power. I would expect that towing 7300lbs with proper weight distribution and hitch would not be a challenge. On the other hand, I have seen a C3500 backwards in the ditch in front of my house with half that much trailer that did not have nearly enough tongue weight.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2018-09-03T09:00:16.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2018-09-03T09:00:16.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":602},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:3081788/message:3081895","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"1700","rawBody":"
goducks10 wrote:
My wife has never towed any of our truck trailer combo's. One of the previous setups would've been a nightmare for her if she needed to tow in an emergency.
2010 F150 Max Tow + Heartland Northtrail 26LRSS @31' 7300 lbs. It was a handful to tow. Moved up to a 12 Ram CTD and it was very easy to tow.
Current Setup 2018 Ram 2500 + a 28' 5h wheel @9300 lbs is a joy to tow. Whether in the curvy mountain sections or down a long boring stretch of freeway with winds, it's always very easy to tow. My wife would have a much easier time towing the last setup in an emergency.
Point is, could someone who has never towed before be able to tow your current setup with out problems. And I'm not talking about backing into a tight spot or things like that. But could they get in and get it back home or at least to somewhere necessary? If yes then the setup is proper. If it would be too dangerous then the setup is not balanced.
Probably not a real good barometer for how some setups handle, but it's the gauge I use. If you're always feeling like you're needing to stay constantly on notice when towing then you're probably near the edge.


It is not a camper but I am towing over 11,000lbs with my 2016 F150 with max tow package. I have the LT tire option and keep a lot of tongue weight and it as stable as the F250 that it replaced and it has a lot more power. I would expect that towing 7300lbs with proper weight distribution and hitch would not be a challenge. On the other hand, I have seen a C3500 backwards in the ditch in front of my house with half that much trailer that did not have nearly enough tongue weight.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":2,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3081895_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:199429":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:199429","uid":199429,"login":"goducks10","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2010-02-22T08:06:49.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-12.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:199429"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3081894":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3081894","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3081894":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:199429"},"id":"message:3081894","revisionNum":1,"uid":3081894,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3081788"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3081788"},"subject":"Re: F-150 HDPP towing 37 ft TT ** 1,300 miles later**","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3081894"},"body":"My wife has never towed any of our truck trailer combo's. One of the previous setups would've been a nightmare for her if she needed to tow in an emergency.
2010 F150 Max Tow + Heartland Northtrail 26LRSS @31' 7300 lbs. It was a handful to tow. Moved up to a 12 Ram CTD and it was very easy to tow.
Current Setup 2018 Ram 2500 + a 28' 5h wheel @9300 lbs is a joy to tow. Whether in the curvy mountain sections or down a long boring stretch of freeway with winds, it's always very easy to tow. My wife would have a much easier time towing the last setup in an emergency.
Point is, could someone who has never towed before be able to tow your current setup with out problems. And I'm not talking about backing into a tight spot or things like that. But could they get in and get it back home or at least to somewhere necessary? If yes then the setup is proper. If it would be too dangerous then the setup is not balanced.
Probably not a real good barometer for how some setups handle, but it's the gauge I use. If you're always feeling like you're needing to stay constantly on notice when towing then you're probably near the edge.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2018-09-03T08:41:59.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2018-09-03T08:41:59.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":601},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:3081788/message:3081894","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"1155","rawBody":"My wife has never towed any of our truck trailer combo's. One of the previous setups would've been a nightmare for her if she needed to tow in an emergency.
2010 F150 Max Tow + Heartland Northtrail 26LRSS @31' 7300 lbs. It was a handful to tow. Moved up to a 12 Ram CTD and it was very easy to tow.
Current Setup 2018 Ram 2500 + a 28' 5h wheel @9300 lbs is a joy to tow. Whether in the curvy mountain sections or down a long boring stretch of freeway with winds, it's always very easy to tow. My wife would have a much easier time towing the last setup in an emergency.
Point is, could someone who has never towed before be able to tow your current setup with out problems. And I'm not talking about backing into a tight spot or things like that. But could they get in and get it back home or at least to somewhere necessary? If yes then the setup is proper. If it would be too dangerous then the setup is not balanced.
Probably not a real good barometer for how some setups handle, but it's the gauge I use. If you're always feeling like you're needing to stay constantly on notice when towing then you're probably near the edge.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3081894_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3081893":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3081893","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3081893":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:41100"},"id":"message:3081893","revisionNum":1,"uid":3081893,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3081788"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3081788"},"subject":"Re: F-150 HDPP towing 37 ft TT ** 1,300 miles later**","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3081893"},"body":"Smaller and lighter...negatives in relation to the load. Accelerates faster and stops quicker...ONLY WHEN EMPTY...put the same trailer behind my truck and I'll out accelerate AND out stop the F150 with better HP/torque, better gearing, bigger brakes, and better traction.
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That \"only when empty\" is a huge benefit that you cannot appreciate. You cannot appreciate that 3.5 EB/10 speed and more agile handling...but that's you.

Not me.

My setup is comfortable enough that allows someone with no experience to gain confidence as the miles rolled by, and a big fat pot belly of a truck proved unnecessary.

As for braking, there is better braking to be had in the F150, and I'm upgrading to high performance slotted rotors and pads next year.

As a matter of fact, with that extra 4,000 lbs your truck is lugging around, with my 8,400lbs trailer, I have to see for myself that your truck can stop shorter than my truck hooked up to the same trailer.

I'm not saying your truck can't, but I'm not convinced that with performance rotors and pads on my HDPP, that your truck can stop my trailer shorter, or significantly shorter.

You definitely need those heavy duty brakes for that girth that the truck is lugging around.

And for the record, with my trailer being within specs for my truck, I perceived my truck versus the same trim 3/4 ton 6.2 gasses as trading one towing capablity over another one.

That 3/4 ton with that extra 2,000lbs weight is definitely more stable, but I'm not sure to what extent that extra stability goes, and to what degree. I'm comfortably stable.

The downside that the 3/4 have until those gassers are updated, are those inferior engine/transmissions, and they can't touch the HDPP EB when moving my trailer, especially up grades...that EB yanks my trailer around.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2018-09-03T07:13:44.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2018-09-03T07:13:44.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":601},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:3081788/message:3081893","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"1911","rawBody":"Smaller and lighter...negatives in relation to the load. Accelerates faster and stops quicker...ONLY WHEN EMPTY...put the same trailer behind my truck and I'll out accelerate AND out stop the F150 with better HP/torque, better gearing, bigger brakes, and better traction.
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That \"only when empty\" is a huge benefit that you cannot appreciate. You cannot appreciate that 3.5 EB/10 speed and more agile handling...but that's you.

Not me.

My setup is comfortable enough that allows someone with no experience to gain confidence as the miles rolled by, and a big fat pot belly of a truck proved unnecessary.

As for braking, there is better braking to be had in the F150, and I'm upgrading to high performance slotted rotors and pads next year.

As a matter of fact, with that extra 4,000 lbs your truck is lugging around, with my 8,400lbs trailer, I have to see for myself that your truck can stop shorter than my truck hooked up to the same trailer.

I'm not saying your truck can't, but I'm not convinced that with performance rotors and pads on my HDPP, that your truck can stop my trailer shorter, or significantly shorter.

You definitely need those heavy duty brakes for that girth that the truck is lugging around.

And for the record, with my trailer being within specs for my truck, I perceived my truck versus the same trim 3/4 ton 6.2 gasses as trading one towing capablity over another one.

That 3/4 ton with that extra 2,000lbs weight is definitely more stable, but I'm not sure to what extent that extra stability goes, and to what degree. I'm comfortably stable.

The downside that the 3/4 have until those gassers are updated, are those inferior engine/transmissions, and they can't touch the HDPP EB when moving my trailer, especially up grades...that EB yanks my trailer around.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":2,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3081893_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"User:user:354008":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:354008","uid":354008,"login":"spoon059","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2010-10-03T10:19:08.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-1.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:41"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:354008"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3081892":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3081892","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3081892":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:354008"},"id":"message:3081892","revisionNum":1,"uid":3081892,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3081788"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3081788"},"subject":"Re: F-150 HDPP towing 37 ft TT ** 1,300 miles later**","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3081892"},"body":"
Threebigfords wrote:
Just last week on our way back from Banff on the 28th of August we saw a 37' trailer laying on it's side blocking two of the Westbound lanes as we came down the Coquihalla from the summit. The tow vehicle was a 2011-2016 F350 CCLB SRW diesel, heavily damaged, sitting on a rollback. Weather was clear and sunny.

Respectfully, what does this have to do with anything? Do you have any clue WHY that big heavy truck rolled? I doubt it, or else you would have added that into your statement. If anything, you have just proven that driver ability and driving technique are equally as important as having the correct vehicle.

I agree that when towing bigger/heavier tow vehicles are better (to a point), but the OP is within his numbers. Unless you are making monthly payments and paying for a portion of his fuel...why do you care?","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2018-09-03T05:07:28.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2018-09-03T05:07:28.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":321},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:3081788/message:3081892","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"897","rawBody":"
Threebigfords wrote:
Just last week on our way back from Banff on the 28th of August we saw a 37' trailer laying on it's side blocking two of the Westbound lanes as we came down the Coquihalla from the summit. The tow vehicle was a 2011-2016 F350 CCLB SRW diesel, heavily damaged, sitting on a rollback. Weather was clear and sunny.

Respectfully, what does this have to do with anything? Do you have any clue WHY that big heavy truck rolled? I doubt it, or else you would have added that into your statement. If anything, you have just proven that driver ability and driving technique are equally as important as having the correct vehicle.

I agree that when towing bigger/heavier tow vehicles are better (to a point), but the OP is within his numbers. Unless you are making monthly payments and paying for a portion of his fuel...why do you care?","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3081892_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3081891":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3081891","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3081891":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:41100"},"id":"message:3081891","revisionNum":1,"uid":3081891,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3081788"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3081788"},"subject":"Re: F-150 HDPP towing 37 ft TT ** 1,300 miles later**","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3081891"},"body":"Then maybe you'll have some real perspective and can appreciate what some of these folks are saying.

I lurked for over a year trying to determine what truck I needed to tow my rig, and if I wanted a huge truck, there wouldn't have been any need to research tow vehicles and just buy the biggest truck possible...a no brainer.

I trust my judgement and was willing to put my money on Ford's specs much more than on your skewed perspectives towards huge trucks.

You would have never told me the truth about whether or not I could safely tow this trailer with a HDPP truck, regardless of being within specs, and as a matter of fact, you never mentioned the HDPP trucks, and not one person present that option, but kept doing exactly what you just did... fostering up all the doom and gloom possible.

You can't believe that drivers don't understand that when towing with lighter vehicles that we have to utilize a bit more caution with slower speed in certain situations and conditions, but because of that skewed bias for HD trucks, most so called \"experienced\" members never tell a newbie wanting to keep their less than HD vehicles about added precautions they may have to take.

If I ask whether I can safely tow a trailer if I'm within specs, don't try to tell me stories you had with your overmatched 1999 1/2 ton, and I don't want no one trying to tell me how happier I would be with a larger truck...just answer my question. Their is a reason why people like the benefits of smaller vehicles, even if we have to take added precautions in certain situations and conditions.

To those people,the precautions and compromises outweigh the downsides of having a huge truck.


I signed up knowing I won'tbe able to tow in higher winds than heavier trucks, but those precautions are much less of a compromise than the downside and extra precautions with having a heavier, bulkier, longer stopping distance, more cumbersome handling truck over amy HDPP truck when not towing.

My safety margin is greater than yours in the area I determined I wanted the most...when not towing.

I can bite the bullet of the downsides of towing with my HDPP versus the downsides of of having a HD truck when not towing...I pick my poison, and you pick yours.


You guys have great knowledge regarding RV'ing, but when it comes tow vehicles, I trust my zero experience and Ford specs much more than your tainted and bias perspectives regarding trucks.

Your bias against SUVs, 1/2 tons, etc is plain as day...I'll take my no experience over your tainted words.

I will tell you about whether I have or don't have enough truck. I bet it pains you that the HDPP can tow heavier TT, and drivers are happy with them.

Stick to petrifying those gullible newbies with all that doom and gloom...60mph wind?...down a steep mountain in a blizzard?...really!?!?!

And you think you can drop some knowledge at my feet?...try the next newbie.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2018-09-03T05:00:07.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2018-09-03T05:00:07.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":281},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:3081788/message:3081891","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"3064","rawBody":"Then maybe you'll have some real perspective and can appreciate what some of these folks are saying.

I lurked for over a year trying to determine what truck I needed to tow my rig, and if I wanted a huge truck, there wouldn't have been any need to research tow vehicles and just buy the biggest truck possible...a no brainer.

I trust my judgement and was willing to put my money on Ford's specs much more than on your skewed perspectives towards huge trucks.

You would have never told me the truth about whether or not I could safely tow this trailer with a HDPP truck, regardless of being within specs, and as a matter of fact, you never mentioned the HDPP trucks, and not one person present that option, but kept doing exactly what you just did... fostering up all the doom and gloom possible.

You can't believe that drivers don't understand that when towing with lighter vehicles that we have to utilize a bit more caution with slower speed in certain situations and conditions, but because of that skewed bias for HD trucks, most so called \"experienced\" members never tell a newbie wanting to keep their less than HD vehicles about added precautions they may have to take.

If I ask whether I can safely tow a trailer if I'm within specs, don't try to tell me stories you had with your overmatched 1999 1/2 ton, and I don't want no one trying to tell me how happier I would be with a larger truck...just answer my question. Their is a reason why people like the benefits of smaller vehicles, even if we have to take added precautions in certain situations and conditions.

To those people,the precautions and compromises outweigh the downsides of having a huge truck.


I signed up knowing I won'tbe able to tow in higher winds than heavier trucks, but those precautions are much less of a compromise than the downside and extra precautions with having a heavier, bulkier, longer stopping distance, more cumbersome handling truck over amy HDPP truck when not towing.

My safety margin is greater than yours in the area I determined I wanted the most...when not towing.

I can bite the bullet of the downsides of towing with my HDPP versus the downsides of of having a HD truck when not towing...I pick my poison, and you pick yours.


You guys have great knowledge regarding RV'ing, but when it comes tow vehicles, I trust my zero experience and Ford specs much more than your tainted and bias perspectives regarding trucks.

Your bias against SUVs, 1/2 tons, etc is plain as day...I'll take my no experience over your tainted words.

I will tell you about whether I have or don't have enough truck. I bet it pains you that the HDPP can tow heavier TT, and drivers are happy with them.

Stick to petrifying those gullible newbies with all that doom and gloom...60mph wind?...down a steep mountain in a blizzard?...really!?!?!

And you think you can drop some knowledge at my feet?...try the next newbie.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":3,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3081891_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"User:user:66515":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:66515","uid":66515,"login":"Threebigfords","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2007-08-08T22:21:42.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-11.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:66515"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3081890":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3081890","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3081890":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:66515"},"id":"message:3081890","revisionNum":1,"uid":3081890,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3081788"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3081788"},"subject":"Re: F-150 HDPP towing 37 ft TT ** 1,300 miles later**","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3081890"},"body":"
Lwiddis wrote:
To each his/her own.


Exactly.

Personally I won't tow that long of a trailer with that light of a truck. I've seen too many 3/4 and 1 ton trucks flipped over by 35' plus travel trailers to risk pulling one with a 1/2 ton.

Just last week on our way back from Banff on the 28th of August we saw a 37' trailer laying on it's side blocking two of the Westbound lanes as we came down the Coquihalla from the summit. The tow vehicle was a 2011-2016 F350 CCLB SRW diesel, heavily damaged, sitting on a rollback. Weather was clear and sunny.

To the OP, if your comfortable towing it where you take it, that's great. But as you've said, you have ZERO towing experience. Come back and talk to us after 5 or 10 years of towing. Talk to us after you're first trip down a steep Rocky Mountain pass at night in a blizzard with that setup. Talk to us after you experience the 60 mph crosswinds going thru Wyoming. Talk to us after you've towed on some of the heavily rutted sway inducing stretches of I-90 through Eastern Wa where the Semi's are passing you at 80 mph. Talk to us after you have to panic stop that setup in the pouring rain, going downhill at 65mph. Talk to us after you've towed that setup with a larger truck to feel the difference.

Then maybe you'll have some real perspective and can appreciate what some of these folks are saying.

I'm not knocking your setup. If it works for you and your level of acceptable risk, that's fine. It wouldn't work for me, and it doesn't work for a lot of others on here not because it can't tow the trailer, but for the reasons I mentioned above.

Your arguments for the truck are all based on how much closer it is to driving your cars.... smaller, goes faster, stops faster, lighter. For most of us that tow heavier/longer travel trailers, those are all negatives.

Smaller and lighter...negatives in relation to the load. Accelerates faster and stops quicker...ONLY WHEN EMPTY...put the same trailer behind my truck and I'll out accelerate AND out stop the F150 with better HP/torque, better gearing, bigger brakes, and better traction.

Me personally, I like a large margin of error. I'd rather have overkill than be operating right at the limits of my equipment. The trailer pictured below is 37' tongue to tail and weighs 3500 lbs LESS than my truck as pictured. Truck is 12,800 loaded with gear and family. Trailer is 9300 loaded up with full tanks.

That makes for an extremely comfortable towing experience in almost any situation... and that's without any WD hitch or Sway control device.

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Lwiddis wrote:
To each his/her own.


Exactly.

Personally I won't tow that long of a trailer with that light of a truck. I've seen too many 3/4 and 1 ton trucks flipped over by 35' plus travel trailers to risk pulling one with a 1/2 ton.

Just last week on our way back from Banff on the 28th of August we saw a 37' trailer laying on it's side blocking two of the Westbound lanes as we came down the Coquihalla from the summit. The tow vehicle was a 2011-2016 F350 CCLB SRW diesel, heavily damaged, sitting on a rollback. Weather was clear and sunny.

To the OP, if your comfortable towing it where you take it, that's great. But as you've said, you have ZERO towing experience. Come back and talk to us after 5 or 10 years of towing. Talk to us after you're first trip down a steep Rocky Mountain pass at night in a blizzard with that setup. Talk to us after you experience the 60 mph crosswinds going thru Wyoming. Talk to us after you've towed on some of the heavily rutted sway inducing stretches of I-90 through Eastern Wa where the Semi's are passing you at 80 mph. Talk to us after you have to panic stop that setup in the pouring rain, going downhill at 65mph. Talk to us after you've towed that setup with a larger truck to feel the difference.

Then maybe you'll have some real perspective and can appreciate what some of these folks are saying.

I'm not knocking your setup. If it works for you and your level of acceptable risk, that's fine. It wouldn't work for me, and it doesn't work for a lot of others on here not because it can't tow the trailer, but for the reasons I mentioned above.

Your arguments for the truck are all based on how much closer it is to driving your cars.... smaller, goes faster, stops faster, lighter. For most of us that tow heavier/longer travel trailers, those are all negatives.

Smaller and lighter...negatives in relation to the load. Accelerates faster and stops quicker...ONLY WHEN EMPTY...put the same trailer behind my truck and I'll out accelerate AND out stop the F150 with better HP/torque, better gearing, bigger brakes, and better traction.

Me personally, I like a large margin of error. I'd rather have overkill than be operating right at the limits of my equipment. The trailer pictured below is 37' tongue to tail and weighs 3500 lbs LESS than my truck as pictured. Truck is 12,800 loaded with gear and family. Trailer is 9300 loaded up with full tanks.

That makes for an extremely comfortable towing experience in almost any situation... and that's without any WD hitch or Sway control device.

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mhamershock wrote:
Maury82 wrote:
jerem0621 wrote:
Maury82 wrote:
jerem0621 wrote:
Sounds like a Titan XD has would fit the bill perfect for you. It has similar payload to the HDPP F150 but has more mass to manhandle the trailer.


The Titan was outdated when it was introduced.

The HDPP Ford proved to be the perfect towing and none towing combination I wanted. If the HDPP not been available, I would had to spring for a HD truck, but I lucked out.


I apologize. My comment was directed at another thread where the OP was not satisfied with the HDPP towing experience. I’m glad it works for you and it is certainly a heck of a truck.

Thanks!

Jeremiah

No problem at all Jeremiah. That Titan would handle that trailer very well indeed, and I looked the specs, but I found the Ford more to my likings.


And there's just no getting around how d@mn ugly that Titan HD is. I looked at them too and they are just butt-ugly. :)

Mike


I thought that at first, I really like it now. I think it looks much better than the first gen Titans.

Thanks!

Jeremiah","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2018-08-31T13:12:18.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2018-08-31T13:12:18.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":281},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:3081788/message:3081888","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"1317","rawBody":"
mhamershock wrote:
Maury82 wrote:
jerem0621 wrote:
Maury82 wrote:
jerem0621 wrote:
Sounds like a Titan XD has would fit the bill perfect for you. It has similar payload to the HDPP F150 but has more mass to manhandle the trailer.


The Titan was outdated when it was introduced.

The HDPP Ford proved to be the perfect towing and none towing combination I wanted. If the HDPP not been available, I would had to spring for a HD truck, but I lucked out.


I apologize. My comment was directed at another thread where the OP was not satisfied with the HDPP towing experience. I’m glad it works for you and it is certainly a heck of a truck.

Thanks!

Jeremiah

No problem at all Jeremiah. That Titan would handle that trailer very well indeed, and I looked the specs, but I found the Ford more to my likings.


And there's just no getting around how d@mn ugly that Titan HD is. I looked at them too and they are just butt-ugly. :)

Mike


I thought that at first, I really like it now. I think it looks much better than the first gen Titans.

Thanks!

Jeremiah","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3081888_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3081887":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3081887","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3081887":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:199429"},"id":"message:3081887","revisionNum":1,"uid":3081887,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3081788"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3081788"},"subject":"Re: F-150 HDPP towing 37 ft TT ** 1,300 miles later**","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3081887"},"body":"
mhamershock wrote:
Maury82 wrote:
jerem0621 wrote:
Maury82 wrote:
jerem0621 wrote:
Sounds like a Titan XD has would fit the bill perfect for you. It has similar payload to the HDPP F150 but has more mass to manhandle the trailer.


The Titan was outdated when it was introduced.

The HDPP Ford proved to be the perfect towing and none towing combination I wanted. If the HDPP not been available, I would had to spring for a HD truck, but I lucked out.


I apologize. My comment was directed at another thread where the OP was not satisfied with the HDPP towing experience. I’m glad it works for you and it is certainly a heck of a truck.

Thanks!

Jeremiah

No problem at all Jeremiah. That Titan would handle that trailer very well indeed, and I looked the specs, but I found the Ford more to my likings.


And there's just no getting around how d@mn ugly that Titan HD is. I looked at them too and they are just butt-ugly. :)

Mike

I can handle the looks once I get 4' past the front end.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2018-08-31T12:29:09.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2018-08-31T12:29:09.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":281},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:3081788/message:3081887","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"1223","rawBody":"
mhamershock wrote:
Maury82 wrote:
jerem0621 wrote:
Maury82 wrote:
jerem0621 wrote:
Sounds like a Titan XD has would fit the bill perfect for you. It has similar payload to the HDPP F150 but has more mass to manhandle the trailer.


The Titan was outdated when it was introduced.

The HDPP Ford proved to be the perfect towing and none towing combination I wanted. If the HDPP not been available, I would had to spring for a HD truck, but I lucked out.


I apologize. My comment was directed at another thread where the OP was not satisfied with the HDPP towing experience. I’m glad it works for you and it is certainly a heck of a truck.

Thanks!

Jeremiah

No problem at all Jeremiah. That Titan would handle that trailer very well indeed, and I looked the specs, but I found the Ford more to my likings.


And there's just no getting around how d@mn ugly that Titan HD is. I looked at them too and they are just butt-ugly. :)

Mike

I can handle the looks once I get 4' past the front end.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3081887_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/community/NavbarDropdownToggle-1741694506000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/community/NavbarDropdownToggle-1741694506000","value":{"ariaLabelClosed":"Press the down arrow to open the menu"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/EscalatedMessageBanner-1741694506000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/EscalatedMessageBanner-1741694506000","value":{"escalationMessage":"Escalated to Salesforce by {username} on {date}","viewDetails":"View Details","modalTitle":"Case Details","escalatedBy":"Escalated by: ","escalatedOn":"Escalated on: ","caseNumber":"Case Number: ","status":"Status: ","lastUpdateDate":"Last Update: ","automaticEscalation":"automatic escalation","anonymous":"Anonymous"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/users/UserLink-1741694506000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/users/UserLink-1741694506000","value":{"authorName":"View Profile: {author}","anonymous":"Anonymous"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-shared/client/components/users/UserRank-1741694506000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-shared/client/components/users/UserRank-1741694506000","value":{"rankName":"{rankName}","userRank":"Author rank {rankName}"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/MessageTime-1741694506000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/MessageTime-1741694506000","value":{"postTime":"Published: {time}","lastPublishTime":"Last Update: {time}","conversation.lastPostingActivityTime":"Last posting activity time: {time}","conversation.lastPostTime":"Last post time: {time}","moderationData.rejectTime":"Rejected time: {time}"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/MessageSolvedBadge-1741694506000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/MessageSolvedBadge-1741694506000","value":{"solved":"Solved"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/MessageSubject-1741694506000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/MessageSubject-1741694506000","value":{"noSubject":"(no subject)"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/MessageBody-1741694506000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/MessageBody-1741694506000","value":{"showMessageBody":"Show More","mentionsErrorTitle":"{mentionsType, select, board {Board} user {User} message {Message} other {}} No Longer Available","mentionsErrorMessage":"The {mentionsType} you are trying to view has been removed from the community.","videoProcessing":"Video is being processed. 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