f150 versus f250

So am confused WHICH F150 you are talking about...

Is it the 6,xxx GVWR ones...

Is it the 6,xxx GVWR ones...

Is it the 7,xxx GVWR ones...

Or the fake one with the 8,xxx GVWR?

What is the RGAWR of the one referenced in the quote below?

On that...how many RGAWR's does all of these F150's potentially
come with?

PS...I did help a guy who burned up his F150's rear diff because
he listened to advice here on this portal...that 'sure you can, I've
been doing it for a long time with my F150'...but the advisers
F150 is the fake half ton with the ~6K RGAWR and the poor guy
who followed his advice had a regular F150 with an ~4K RGAWR...

THAT is my point...which 'half ton' are you talking about...out of
the approx 14 different F150's someone once posted are listed by
this OEM...

PPS...the difference between the adviser and poor soul who took
his advise is just under 2,000 lbs in RGAWR...

Samsonsworld wrote:
You make it sound like like Ford has a dozen different axles it uses on the F150. The difference between a HD 8200 GVWR and a 7200GVWR standard tow on a 4x4 screw eco are the stiffer springs, HD shocks, 7 lug wheels and e-rated tires, yet it affects both AWR's and payload by 1,000lbs. Affect handling? Sure. But people aren't destroying axles because they're F150 has a lower RAWR. It's the same flippin axle.

You make it sound like like Ford has a dozen different axles it uses on the F150. The difference between a HD 8200 GVWR and a 7200GVWR standard tow on a 4x4 screw eco are the stiffer springs, HD shocks, 7 lug wheels and e-rated tires, yet it affects both AWR's and payload by 1,000lbs. Affect handling? Sure. But people aren't destroying axles because they're F150 has a lower RAWR. It's the same flippin axle.

JIMNLIN wrote:

With over 12,000 miles towing my camper and were still waiting for the frame to bend and axles to fall out from under this truck, plus the brakes are larger than your 2001 Dodge. Look it up

Remember brakes are a function of the GAWRs at a minumum ie; the 3/4 ton trucks brakes can be the same size as its one ton SRW sister.

My previous '01 Dodge/Cummins 2500 had a 6084 RAWR and a 4800 FAWR = 10844 lbs of braking at a minimum.

The F150 with the 3300 lb payload has a tiny 3400 FAWR and a small 4800 RAWR = 8200 lbs of braking performance.

Now about 3300 lb of payload. There is no F150 that can carry 3300 lbs in the bed of the truck without exceeding 4800 RAWR. Fords advertising is mis leading lots of new folks into thinking they can carry a 3300 lb wet weight truck camper or a 3300 lb wet pin weight.

The most weight in the bed, on the 4800 rear axle, is around 2300 lbs. The 4550 and 4050 axle even less.

Good post. Some people are absolutely transfixed on the stated payload capacity they don't look at everything. With half tons in particular you need to be careful about the tire and axle ratings too.

As an aside, my 2015 Cummins axle ratings work out to 12,500 lbs - 6500 rear and 6000 front. Pretty big difference from your old '01.

Too bad you can't get a decent size travel trailer with a tongue weight less than 2300lbs.

With over 12,000 miles towing my camper and were still waiting for the frame to bend and axles to fall out from under this truck, plus the brakes are larger than your 2001 Dodge. Look it up

Remember brakes are a function of the GAWRs at a minumum ie; the 3/4 ton trucks brakes can be the same size as its one ton SRW sister.

My previous '01 Dodge/Cummins 2500 had a 6084 RAWR and a 4800 FAWR = 10844 lbs of braking at a minimum.

The F150 with the 3300 lb payload has a tiny 3400 FAWR and a small 4800 RAWR = 8200 lbs of braking performance.

Now about 3300 lb of payload. There is no F150 that can carry 3300 lbs in the bed of the truck without exceeding 4800 RAWR. Fords advertising is mis leading lots of new folks into thinking they can carry a 3300 lb wet weight truck camper or a 3300 lb wet pin weight.

The most weight in the bed, on the 4800 rear axle, is around 2300 lbs. The 4550 and 4050 axle even less.

I grew up on the farm a long time ago. We kept a 1/2 ton pickup around because it rode better and got better mileage than a 3/4 ton model, even though it wouldn't haul much. We had the International grain truck for that. Some things never change. Except the International is gone.

Some folks will install next higher class tires, from 'P' class up to 'LT'
class...but it is still of a lower GVWR and RGAWR

Still ask for the 'half ton' RGAWR to see if it is a fake half ton or regular
half ton...

7,850 GVWR is some times the fake half ton, but most times it is a regular
half ton...key is the RGAWR's number

Double Post :S

Shadow_Grey wrote:

rhagfo wrote:

TyroneandGladys wrote:
What is the advantage/disadvantage of a f250 over a f150 if the drivetrain are the same and the tow capacity on both 15,000lbs? Would be used to pull a 27 foot travel trailer not a 5th wheel.

Thanks

What 150 has a tow capacity of 15,000#??

Let's start a list.
Bigger Stronger frame.
Bigger Brakes.
Bigger axles (you can't get the same running gear in a 150 as a 250 period).!

Bigger axles (Full floating NOT semi Floating) this is more bearing surface, and the axle only turns the wheel, the spindle of the axle carries the load.

Keep in mind a 150 Max/Max is just that the Max 150, the 250 is a derated 350!

Just because the truck looks big, doesn't mean it is big where it counts!
Not enough payload to carry either hitch weight. I can't imagine the thrill of towing 15,000# with a 150! :B

Many 150's should be able to tow a 27' TT. It sounds like the 15,000# you are referring to is GCVWR (Gross Combined Vehicle Weight Rating) this is the total weight of the TV and the TT.

Seems we have had this conversation/discussion before...

With over 12,000 miles towing my camper and were still waiting for the frame to bend and axles to fall out from under this truck, plus the brakes are larger than your 2001 Dodge. Look it up as they are also electronically controlled disk too. E rated tires all way around including the trailer and no problems at all...not picking a fight just letting you know the F150 can be a very capable truck. Would a properly F250 or 350 be better...no doubt, yes, but the F150 is leaps and bounds better than ANY 15 year old 2500/F250...I know I had a diesel F250.

I am sorry, the OP asked for the and I quote "What is the advantage/disadvantage of a f250 over a f150 if the drivetrain are the same and the tow capacity on both 15,000lbs? Would be used to pull a 27 foot travel trailer not a 5th wheel.".

I was providing the differences, I would be assuming he is looking new or newer, and the comparison is valid. I also pointed out that F150 don't have a 15,000# towing capacity.

It is also valid on a 15 year old 2500. Yes newer brakes are better and the ride is better.

I must have struck a nerve about something. I have stated in the past that the correctly configured F150 is capable of towing a 5er, and would rather see one slightly over weight pulling a 5er, and a long TT.

PS: My 2550 came stock from the factory with "E" rated tires, and a 6,084# rear axle rating. I also climb decent grades at speed with about 280 hp.

Full time tow, or occasional tow?

It it's within rated capacity, then go with it.

Forum's wt police say F350 Dually or stay home.

F150 is more of a pleasure to drive than an F250 (or bigger). I set up over night test drives with F250 gas and diesel. Wife and I ran a bunch of errands with the gas version. Took it back the next morning and said don't even bother with the diesel. I don't need, nor do I want that much truck.