And people wonder why the cost of vehicles keep going up and why most automakers dropped vehicles with a small footprint. This is one reason why compact pickup trucks went extinct in 2011. I guess this is there way of forcing us to buy the vehicles they want us to buy. Kind of ironic though. Automakers are not making small fuel efficient cars anymore just to meet CAFE requirements. Yet another regulation that will probably end up doing more harm than good when all things are considered. Edit: the title says 2016, but it should be 2018.FCA Paid $77 Million in Civil Penalties to Sell Cars People Actually Want to Buy

This is who’s way of forcing us to buy the vehicles they want us to buy? Are you referring to the government or the manufacturer?Because I will argue either point. The American public has made it clear it does not have an appetite for small fuel efficient cars. And the manufacturers are responding by building what will sell and making enough profit to pay the fines levied by responding to market forces.

I really enjoy my Subaru outback, but it's an oldie, and not American. The new built in the USA ones are huge now which is sad.

Read a quote on another forum attributed to Robert Heinlein-"There is no worse tyranny than to force a man to buy what he does not want merely because you think it would be good for him". Rather has a ring of truth to it during the last several years. :E

Bionic Man wrote:This is who’s way of forcing us to buy the vehicles they want us to buy? Are you referring to the government or the manufacturer?Because I will argue either point. The American public has made it clear it does not have an appetite for small fuel efficient cars. And the manufacturers are responding by building what will sell and making enough profit to pay the fines levied by responding to market forces.That is the whole point of the article. I cannot remember which Ford person said multiple years ago, paraphrasing, the government needs to significantly increase the gas tax if anyone is going to purchase the vehicles CAFE is cramming down the manufacturers. He caught hell with everyone stating he was advocating high taxes. He was only speaking the truth of the U.S. consumer.

routeforty wrote:Read a quote on another forum attributed to Robert Heinlein-"There is no worse tyranny than to force a man to buy what he does not want merely because you think it would be good for him". Rather has a ring of truth to it during the last several years. :EAnd he died way before the ACA.

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Bionic_Man
Explorer
Feb 14, 2019
This is who’s way of forcing us to buy the vehicles they want us to buy? Are you referring to the government or the manufacturer?

Because I will argue either point. The American public has made it clear it does not have an appetite for small fuel efficient cars. And the manufacturers are responding by building what will sell and making enough profit to pay the fines levied by responding to market forces.
GordonThree
Explorer
Feb 14, 2019
I really enjoy my Subaru outback, but it's an oldie, and not American. The new built in the USA ones are huge now which is sad.
routeforty
Explorer
Feb 14, 2019
Read a quote on another forum attributed to Robert Heinlein-"There is no worse tyranny than to force a man to buy what he does not want merely because you think it would be good for him". Rather has a ring of truth to it during the last several years. :E
mich800
Explorer
Feb 14, 2019
Bionic Man wrote:
This is who’s way of forcing us to buy the vehicles they want us to buy? Are you referring to the government or the manufacturer?

Because I will argue either point. The American public has made it clear it does not have an appetite for small fuel efficient cars. And the manufacturers are responding by building what will sell and making enough profit to pay the fines levied by responding to market forces.

That is the whole point of the article. I cannot remember which Ford person said multiple years ago, paraphrasing, the government needs to significantly increase the gas tax if anyone is going to purchase the vehicles CAFE is cramming down the manufacturers. He caught hell with everyone stating he was advocating high taxes. He was only speaking the truth of the U.S. consumer.
mich800
Explorer
Feb 14, 2019
routeforty wrote:
Read a quote on another forum attributed to Robert Heinlein-"There is no worse tyranny than to force a man to buy what he does not want merely because you think it would be good for him". Rather has a ring of truth to it during the last several years. :E

And he died way before the ACA.
routeforty
Explorer
Feb 14, 2019
mich800 wrote:
routeforty wrote:
Read a quote on another forum attributed to Robert Heinlein-"There is no worse tyranny than to force a man to buy what he does not want merely because you think it would be good for him". Rather has a ring of truth to it during the last several years. :E

And he died way before the ACA.
Maybe the term for him would be a 'visionary'.
sayoung
Explorer
Feb 14, 2019
routeforty wrote:
mich800 wrote:
routeforty wrote:
Read a quote on another forum attributed to Robert Heinlein-"There is no worse tyranny than to force a man to buy what he does not want merely because you think it would be good for him". Rather has a ring of truth to it during the last several years. :E

And he died way before the ACA.
Maybe the term for him would be a 'visionary'.

He did predict the tattoo craze :S
wilber1
Explorer
Feb 15, 2019
No worries, the Big 3 are getting out of sedan production in North America, they will just add the penalties to the price of your next SUV or pickup.
rexlion
Explorer
Feb 15, 2019
The hunt for tax proceeds continues. This dumb standard is unlikely to ever be done away with, because it is essentially an invisible tax on the purchasers of new vehicles. People just see the price tag and blame the mfr.
ShinerBock
Explorer
Feb 15, 2019
rexlion wrote:
The hunt for tax proceeds continues. This dumb standard is unlikely to ever be done away with, because it is essentially an invisible tax on the purchasers of new vehicles. People just see the price tag and blame the mfr.

Exactly! Many people don't know how it works on the back end and just blame the manufacturer when the cost of their next vehicles goes up. They don't know that mandates like CAFE, air bags, anti-lock brakes, electronic stability control, back up camera's, and so on have all increased the costs of these vehicles exponentially. If you think the price of trucks are too high then don't just point the finger at the manufacturer, point it at the government too. And if haven't done anything about it, point at yourself as well.

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