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Dadoffourgirls wrote:
FishOnOne wrote:
GM already tried a business merger with Toyota and Isuzu and it didn't work.
Remember Geo...
These were not mergers, this was a joint-venture. Remember the Vibe?
If you look back in automotive history, there have been many joint-ventures, and some mergers. Some have worked, many have not.
You don’t need to look any farther back to the new 10 speeds jointly developed by Ford and GM.FishOnOne wrote:
GM already tried a business merger with Toyota and Isuzu and it didn't work.
Remember Geo...
These were not mergers, this was a joint-venture. Remember the Vibe?
If you look back in automotive history, there have been many joint-ventures, and some mergers. Some have worked, many have not.DakotaDad wrote:
Well, just to make sure NOBODY is happy...
GM Merger With Ford Looks More Likely
The article is pretty light on anything other than rank speculation, though.
GM already tried a business merger with Toyota and Isuzu and it didn't work.
Remember Geo...- Well, just to make sure NOBODY is happy...
GM Merger With Ford Looks More Likely
The article is pretty light on anything other than rank speculation, though. Lessmore wrote:
I do remember when Chrysler and Mercedes 'merged'. Originally I thought it was supposed to be a merger of equals, but as it developed that didn't seem to be the case. Chrysler benefited with Mercedes attention to the Chrysler 300 RWD platform...which some say might be one of the best platforms that Chrysler has had. Other benefits from the merger, I don't know.
Now that Fiat and Chrysler have joined forces, I wonder what Fiat has brought to the North American operations of Chrysler and what has Chrysler brought to Fiat ?
I can think of the commercial van, based on a Fiat that has replaced the Mercedes Sprinter and in use in NA. But what else?
I'm sure the word from FCA will be or has been...that all sorts of R+D that both companies working together in a cooperative venture(s)...and which will result in developing new technology that will be mutually beneficial to both companies and the consumer. I apologize for sounding too PR.
Are Fiat and Chrysler a good fit ?
Could you imagine Honda joining FCA ?
I could see Kia/Hyundai joining FCA.
But sometimes you never know. As the old saying goes ...politics makes for strange bedfellows and I guess the same can be said of automotive companies...when tough times are forecast for the future.
The two companies I'm unsure of where their future lies, is that of Ford and General Motors.
They are still independent companies, they are large companies with great histories. They have made the decision to cancel their sedans, focus on SUV/trucks and plan to have a dominant EV presence in oncoming years.
Are they going to continue to go it alone, will they partner up with other companies, will they partner up with each other ?
They already have worked on a couple of transmissions...FWD automatic, RWD automatic. Aside from developing a couple of transmissions together...was this transmission cooperative venture also about seeing how they 'fit' together...with future considerations a factor ?
Daimler was also responsible for the 4th gen Ram
Fiat benefitted from some funds that the Chrysler group had. Fiat also appears to be using it profits from it profitable divisions (Ram and Jeep)to keep it's non profitable divisions in business. The exceptions are Chrysler and Dodge divisions in which there days are numbered.
Ford.... I think getting rid of it's car line is a short term gain, but I don't know how they'll meet CAFE requirements without them unless they plan on being successful with their future EV products. At least they were smart to plan on introducing new products to keep those factories alive. Eventually they'll need pay the piper and get back into the car line again when fuel prices hit a particular price point or if the market doesn't except EV.
GM.... Well I'm really surprised that Mary Barra is still behind the helm. And if I were in charge the first thing I would want to know is who is the designer/s of the current Camaro, Silverado 1500 and HD, and Blazer and who approved them. I think you know where I'm going with this one.
As for mergers they are very rarely equal. One will always dominate.danrclem wrote:
Bigger ain't always better.
True, very true, but sometimes getting bigger is more about survival, than being better.- Bigger ain't always better.
- I do remember when Chrysler and Mercedes 'merged'. Originally I thought it was supposed to be a merger of equals, but as it developed that didn't seem to be the case. Chrysler benefited with Mercedes attention to the Chrysler 300 RWD platform...which some say might be one of the best platforms that Chrysler has had. Other benefits from the merger, I don't know.
Now that Fiat and Chrysler have joined forces, I wonder what Fiat has brought to the North American operations of Chrysler and what has Chrysler brought to Fiat ?
I can think of the commercial van, based on a Fiat that has replaced the Mercedes Sprinter and in use in NA. But what else?
I'm sure the word from FCA will be or has been...that all sorts of R+D that both companies working together in a cooperative venture(s)...and which will result in developing new technology that will be mutually beneficial to both companies and the consumer. I apologize for sounding too PR.
Are Fiat and Chrysler a good fit ?
Could you imagine Honda joining FCA ?
I could see Kia/Hyundai joining FCA.
But sometimes you never know. As the old saying goes ...politics makes for strange bedfellows and I guess the same can be said of automotive companies...when tough times are forecast for the future.
The two companies I'm unsure of where their future lies, is that of Ford and General Motors.
They are still independent companies, they are large companies with great histories. They have made the decision to cancel their sedans, focus on SUV/trucks and plan to have a dominant EV presence in oncoming years.
Are they going to continue to go it alone, will they partner up with other companies, will they partner up with each other ?
They already have worked on a couple of transmissions...FWD automatic, RWD automatic. Aside from developing a couple of transmissions together...was this transmission cooperative venture also about seeing how they 'fit' together...with future considerations a factor ? soren wrote:
travelnutz wrote:
Perfect fit! A loser and a loser unite to make both be bigger losers. Then they will both disappear and life will still go on and for the better.
Total sales of 8.7 MILLION vehicles last year, would be the third largest vehicle manufacturer on earth the day they complete the deal. I guess we all have different definitions of "loser". The finance press is stating that Nissan is pretty well aware that they have to swallow their pride, and jump on the Renault/FCA coattails, or risk being too small to survive.
Renault/FCA/Nissan /Mitsubishi would be the largest company by far with nearly 16 million in 2017 sales compared to Toyota's 10.5 million. Would it work though? Nissan is the largest single partner and the relationship with Renault has been soured somewhat by the Ghosn scandal and French government involvement. On the other hand, their integration has been quite successful on a business level and splitting would cause major problems for both.shum02 wrote:
Cummins12V98 wrote:
Let's not forget these.
That's an International Harvester 6.4L engine but thanks for digging up 10YO ancient history.
Point was everyone has issues. It's all about how well the issues are handled. Recalls related to my 15 were no sweat off my nose, or my 11.
