Doesn't look good for those of us who like diesels. Sounds like the pollution controls are killing it. Article

My DEF Diesel is supposed to have near zero emissions??

Have to agree the need for diesels is less and less every decade. Gas engine technology (like the EcoBoost from Ford) is making diesel less relevant, and the emissions choking that regulators are putting on diesel engines makes them less and less efficient, and extremely costly to produce and repair. As an example, I bought 6 new Bosch injectors for my then 2002 Dodge/Cummins 5.9L for $300. That's $50 each for NEW injectors. Today, one new injector can cost 20x that ($1000). I would not want to have to foot the repair bill for fixing a 2015+ diesel today. Look at the Ford guys (very few admittedly, but the point is the cost) who had to shell out $18,000 for a new fuel system when the CP4 ate itself. That's one of the primary reasons I went withj the 6.4L Hemi last time I bought new. Does a diesel tow a heavy load easier and with better mpg? Yes, absolutely.But, I could probably buy two or three new 6.4L Hemis for the cost of a Ford 6.7L fuel system.Add to that the fact that DPF theft is an issue where I live. Thieves prowl around in stolen trucks with cordless sawzalls. The like lifted diesels as they have easy access. Police reports I have read state replacing the hacked exhaust system and DPF is around $10,000 here in Canada.Just not worth it unless you tow 80% of the time for work or play. Better off to buy a gas engine IMO.

Dang! Just when the diesel Jeep Wrangler is coming out.....well whatever, I don't worry about speculation much. But if it's true, should probably go snatch up a few Eco diesels and moth ball them for a couple years! Sounds like a solid investment.

Isn't Chevy betting on diesels...cars and trucks?

FCA(Marchionne) says diesel is dead | Good Sam Community

Me_Again
Explorer III
Apr 14, 2018
blofgren wrote:
Bobbo wrote:
I want to preface this by saying I have never owned a diesel. However, from the reading I have done, it seems to me that one of the major draws of a diesel over a gasser is the high torque at lower RPM's. My Ford 3.5l EcoBoost engine produces 375 hp at 5,000 RPM, but it has its maximum torque much lower. It produces 470 lb-ft of torque at 2250 to 3500 RPM. I can get the diesel-like low range torque without the front end expense of a diesel, the higher maintenance costs, the astronomical repair costs, and the higher fuel costs. Sure, it gets lower mpg, but that is a trade off I am willing to accept. On top of that, it has 2 turbochargers that reduce the power loss at altitude for those times I am in the Rocky Mountains.

True, but I don't think it would do well with my 16k lbs fiver....;)

What ^^^^ he said!

We may quit towing the 5th wheel South next fall, but the RAM 3500 will still make the trip bobtail at over 20 MPG, should it happen, tonnage wins in wrecks. We enjoy the creature comforts of the CC Laramie package.
blofgren
Explorer
Apr 14, 2018
Bobbo wrote:
I want to preface this by saying I have never owned a diesel. However, from the reading I have done, it seems to me that one of the major draws of a diesel over a gasser is the high torque at lower RPM's. My Ford 3.5l EcoBoost engine produces 375 hp at 5,000 RPM, but it has its maximum torque much lower. It produces 470 lb-ft of torque at 2250 to 3500 RPM. I can get the diesel-like low range torque without the front end expense of a diesel, the higher maintenance costs, the astronomical repair costs, and the higher fuel costs. Sure, it gets lower mpg, but that is a trade off I am willing to accept. On top of that, it has 2 turbochargers that reduce the power loss at altitude for those times I am in the Rocky Mountains.

True, but I don't think it would do well with my 16k lbs fiver....;)
FishOnOne
Nomad
Apr 14, 2018
Cummins12V98 wrote:
Me Again wrote:
The next Cummins version in a RAM truck is going to have all emission stuff post engine. This engine will be in the 2020 trucks or maybe a little earlier.

True DAT, I spoke to a Lady at the Cummins plant that was working on the project in 2016. She had the "Cat that ate the Canary" look on her face when she spoke to me about it! She said it was to debut in the 2019 model year. This would align with the Cummins 100 year anniversary and the 30 year Cummins/RAM relationship.

Stage 5 emissions is old news from cummins that will be released 2019, but that hasn't stopped many from converting to gas. UPS trucks continue to switch from diesel to natural gas engines which cummins also provides. At work I haven't heard a cummins diesel powered UPS for quite some time now. And yes Macaroni is right the trend to gas continues. A oil/gas service company that services some of our wells just completed converting their ram diesel trucks to gas hemi trucks because of the repair costs and downtime.

Stage 5 Emissions
dodge_guy
Explorer II
Apr 14, 2018
FishOnOne wrote:
Tyler0215 wrote:
I sure wouldn't listen to that clown. He's almost run Chrysler into the ground.

And everyone else after Lee Iacocca.

The Man

The worst was Daimler. At least FCA is keeping it going!
dodge_guy
Explorer II
Apr 14, 2018
djousma wrote:
It's just one guys opinion. Heck, I just came back from a week in Honduras, and almost every vehicle there was a diesel. My rental, a Chevy Captiva had a peppy little diesel in it too.

Yep and those have no pollution controls.
Bobbo
Explorer II
Apr 14, 2018
I want to preface this by saying I have never owned a diesel. However, from the reading I have done, it seems to me that one of the major draws of a diesel over a gasser is the high torque at lower RPM's. My Ford 3.5l EcoBoost engine produces 375 hp at 5,000 RPM, but it has its maximum torque much lower. It produces 470 lb-ft of torque at 2250 to 3500 RPM. I can get the diesel-like low range torque without the front end expense of a diesel, the higher maintenance costs, the astronomical repair costs, and the higher fuel costs. Sure, it gets lower mpg, but that is a trade off I am willing to accept. On top of that, it has 2 turbochargers that reduce the power loss at altitude for those times I am in the Rocky Mountains.
Turtle_n_Peeps
Explorer
Apr 14, 2018
Fordlover wrote:
Turtle n Peeps wrote:
Johno02 wrote:
Plus lots higher maintenance costs.

My diesel never was higher in maintenance costs than my gas trucks.

To be fair, the newest breed of Diesel is a far cry from the good old simple Diesel engine. It's incredibly difficult to go out and buy a new pre-emissions Diesel 1 ton these days in the States.

And todays gas engines aren't? :R LOL
DI engines
Turbos
Cam phasers
Multi cam engines
Multi valve engines
High pressure injectors
5 miles of cam chains
Muti fuel sensors and fuel systems

I've owned both and "my" diesel engines cost less to operate overall than my gas engines. Not a lot, but less. And they sure as hell pulled a LOT better.
john_bet
Explorer II
Apr 14, 2018
Fordlover wrote:
Turtle n Peeps wrote:
Johno02 wrote:
Plus lots higher maintenance costs.

My diesel never was higher in maintenance costs than my gas trucks.

To be fair, the newest breed of Diesel is a far cry from the good old simple Diesel engine. It's incredibly difficult to go out and buy a new pre-emissions Diesel 1 ton these days in the States.
Come and make an unreasonable $$$ offer for my 5.9L. It's for sale or will be traded off in the next week or so.
womps
Explorer
Apr 14, 2018
drsteve wrote:
Ductape wrote:
As a CEO, he's a fool to disparage the future of one of their most profitable product lines.

As a CEO, he also has far more information than any of us.

But just because he has the information it isn’t necessarily wise to share it. Future buyers who are waiting for the new Ram diesel might now jump ship to the baby Powerstroke or baby Duramax.
Learjet
Explorer
Apr 14, 2018
I think the reference is to small diesels...we still need diesel Ram trucks and there is still a market for them going forward.

The tech always gets better.