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Jeff10236
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Mar 23, 2016

First cool weather trip in my new (to me) pop up

Last summer I finally bought a pop-up (a 2003 Starcraft 2406). I had wanted one since my parents sold the one we had when I was a teen (I was 18 when they sold it, I was 45 when I finally bought my own). Because I had done many summers of pop-up camping as a kid, I thought I could ignore the advice given to so many newbies to buy cheap (though I did) in order to be sure you like pop-up camping. I knew I liked it. Well, 27 years is a long time and things can change and I'm glad I went with an older used model instead of new. Don't get me wrong, there are definitely things I like about it, but I really love tent camping and I'm not sure the benefits of the pop-up outweigh other options.

I got it to make it easier to camp during the heat and humidity of MD and southern summers and to let me get out more in cold weather. Well, after this trip (I'm camping in Williamsburg, VA) I prefer a tent in cool/chilly temperatures. It got to 50 last night with moderate winds. I've been out in a tent in much colder and windier weather and it was more pleasant. The large tent walls of the pop-up just catch the wind like a sail, my dome tents feel much more stable in the wind. The pop-up is also very drafty (no less so than my 3-season tents). Now, I did forget to bring a space heater and I couldn't get the furnace to light (I need to do some troubleshooting, though it is probably the supply, I didn't get the tank refilled nor did I check it before I left), but I can do either a space heater (at an electric site) or a propane heater (I have a Mr. Heater Portable Buddy heater) with the tent too.

I'm also not happy with the set up time. It takes me longer to set up and take down the camper than it does a tent. The longer more pain in the rear aspects of setting up camp (setting up the outdoor cooking and living space) is just as much a thing with my pop-up as it was with a tent so it doesn't really provide any benefit in these aspects.

There are several things I like. It was nice to have the AC last summer, and it does extend my usable camping days. My middle age back loves having the bunk to sleep on instead of a thin sleeping pad (I have a good pad, the pad itself is reasonably comfortable, but getting up from the ground can be tough some days). When in for the night or starting the day, having a comfortable bench and table to sit at is nice (I'm sitting at my dinette on the computer now, and when I'm camping with friends it has been a nice place to sit and play games). It makes storage in transport easier (though I replaced my sedan which was limiting in that respect with an SUV/CUV in order to be able to tow so that won't be much of a problem tent camping now either) and I can store some of my camping gear in the pop-up which is nice for the next year or two while I'm still in an apartment and I'll possibly be in a condo for a few years when I buy. The fridge is nice, not having to deal with ice and a cooler (at least on trips short enough that the fridge is big enough) is very nice. The model I bought has a shower/cassette toilet and while I haven't yet needed to use it, it is nice to know it is there should I end up at a campground with subpar facilities (or if I take it someplace without facilities).

Of course, some of what I like can also be had with a tent. When I bought my pop-up, I had thought about getting a portable AC unit to extend my tent camping during the summer, I was also thinking about getting a cot (I already have a nice air bed) which around here, would be safe from late April until early October. I had a cheap portable toilet and bathroom tent set up for when the facilities were unusable and I was shopping camp showers (though the only time the campground facilities were so bad that I needed it was before I bought any of it). Of course, transporting these won't be an issue anymore with the SUV/CUV (though it would have been with my Ford Fusion), but all that extra gear could pose a storage problem in my apartment (I'm trying to avoid renting a storage unit). Of course the cot and airbed are only usable part of the year while the pop-up bunks are safe year round, and the pop-up "bathroom" is much nicer than my tent-camping "bathroom".

One big advantage of a pop-up over other camping trailers is ease of storage. Well, the place that will probably be my next apartment complex doesn't allow them in the parking lot, and they charge $165 a month to rent a garage. If I don't rent the garage I'd need to pay an RV storage lot anyway.

So, does anyone here have some advice on things I can do to make the pop-up more livable? It is nice to have the sheltered and air conditioned/heated space to play board or card games when camping with friends, especially when it rains. Should sell the pop-up and go back to the tent and buy an AC unit (having to rent a storage unit wouldn't be any more money than having to rent an RV storage space)? Before I bought my pop-up, I seriously considered buying the cot, AC and a Springbar or Kodiak canvas tent and I'm wondering if it would have been more (or at least similarly) comfortable for a lot less money. Would I be best off with a tent for when that's what I want and trading my pop-up for a hard-sided R-pod, TAB or teardrop for the best of both worlds?

Now, a lot of this post has been complaining. Don't get me wrong, overall I do like the pop-up. I'm just a bit disappointed in some aspects of it (especially when camping in cooler weather). While I'm not making any decisions right away, I'm not sure if it was the right decision or a mistake. Does anyone have any ideas which would make it more clearly a right decision? Of course, come Memorial Day weekend I may only be seeing the positives (around here Memorial Day weekend should be perfect pop-up weather: cool evenings perfect for the tent sides and opening it up, with daytime temps that can be hot and perfect for the AC).

16 Replies

  • Roy, some great insulation ideas there. I'll have to try some (especially to seal up the gaps between the bunks and the trailer when the bunks are extended and the gaps in the door).
  • I've never owned a canvas popup, but I have done plenty of tent camping in all kinds of tents, including a Springbar, which was the only tent left standing in a windstorm at Flathead Lake.

    I have a nice cot that I used when tenting it - no reason to sleep on the ground. I love the simplicity of tenting, but you can;t beat the comfort of a trailer when it comes to wet weather, as well as having a little more bear safety.

    I currently have a Chalet hardside popup, and it's way better than a tent. I can put it up in literally about 3 minutes. I might suggest you sell your canvas one and get an Aliner or Chalet. It will solve most of your problems without losing the great gas mileage and towing ease.
  • TooManyTents (great forum name BTW, though there really is no such thing...),

    Yeah, I knew the disadvantages of a pop-up having researched them for years and having had one in the past. I guess as I've gotten older my tolerance for those disadvantages has decreased and I didn't realize it due to being without a pop-up all those years. Also, one of the big advantages vs. a hard-sided camper, lots of usable space in a small package, is kind of lost on me. I'm a single guy and do a lot of my camping alone, or with one or two friends. Once I have a family I can see the advantages of a pop-up starting to outweigh those of a hard-sided camper again (to get a hard-sided camper that would as comfortably fit 4-5 people as my 12' box pop-up there is no way my Sorento would be able to pull it, and with something that could pull a larger trailer, there is no way I would have got 20.5mpg while towing like I do with the V6 Sorento).

    My move will be temporary. I wanted to buy a house this summer, but after 10 years of teaching special education, I have decided that it is time to change careers. So, I'm renting another year or two while I get settled into the new job since being in the midst of a career change probably isn't the best time to buy a house. If it is only a year or two until I will have a house that (hopefully) has a garage and (likely) a basement, the cost of storage (be it RV lot storage for the camper, or a storage unit for more camping gear) is only a minor factor in whatever I decide.

    As for the heat, I'll troubleshoot the furnace when I get home. Today, after my sightseeing but before returning to camp, I'll probably hit Walmart and see if I can pick up a space heater (I'm using a decent sleeping bag instead of sheets and blankets already) and if I sleep more comfortably tonight, we'll see if that's enough to make me happier with my camper again.

    Well, I figured that this would be a temporary pop-up that I'd only use for a couple years until trading it in on a newer camper. We'll see if my mixed feelings continue. That will decide if my next camper is another pop-up (probably without the shower/cassette toilet and I'll bring a porta pot and camp shower with shower tent for the rare occasions where I can't use the campground facilities) or if I go with the TAB or A-frame pop-up. Of course, if I have a family by then the standard pop-up will probably be the way to go due to space.

    Anyway, time to head out and see the sights.
  • RoyB's avatar
    RoyB
    Explorer II
    I had to do some looking around the inside of my OFF-ROAD POPUP and seal up some rather large holes for those cold nights.

    First thing I do is get a bunch of these 2X2x20 something home window unit foam strips that you slide down into the opened window crack. Looks like this from WALMART...



    I place these between the tent bed flaps and the walls andthis seals up real good where the fabric meets the floors...

    Another place I have a large open hole is where the pulled out tent ends ends meet the inside of the trailer wall. My trailer has a flimsy seal there but doesn't work very good... I can bend over and look out on both ends from the inside and see daylight... I fixed this with a better design rubber seal like this cut and glued on the top of the inside end wall under the tent bed wood platform. After i installed it I had to cut away a couple of places where the bed floor rails moved in and out... This was also a major area for night bugs to crawl when they could see the inside lights burning haha... I forget where I got this from Probably LOWES or maybe I ordered it from AMAZON..



    Also since my trailer does not have the underbelly material I can see lights coming through hole under my trailer where the manf (and me) have run cables etc through the floor area. A coupe of these holes are pretty big. Looking up from underneath at night with inside lights on shows alot of light coming through. I sealed all of those up rubber sealent...

    We also use a tarp over the top of our tent ends sort of my cheap Popup Gizmos... I use a 9X12 tarp from WALMART and it is straed in place using stretch ropes... Really helps keeping the tent bed cooler in the summer and warmer in the winter... Also cuts down on the outside light in the tent bed area...


    We also carry a couple of the low profile OIL FILLED heaters for when we camp at electric sites. These are great and are very quiet to operate. Our propane furnace literally runs us out of our trailer heat wise and is also VERY loud blower. Also consumed alot of DC power when running the 12VDC blower it has... We just use the propane furnace for backup heater.


    Momabear loves to sit watching HDTV with a lap heated blanket. Those are not real Power Hungary and our Battery Bank supports them just fine when camping off the power grid.

    We have the MR BUDDY heater as well but I'm not all that liken to use it in the trailer. My tent trailer is pretty sealed up good now and the MR Buddy will use up all of the oyxgen inside the trailer and produces bad fumes and water haha... I used the Mr Buddy all the time in my tent camping days. When I have used the MR BUDDY in our tent trailer I sit it under the Fantastic Fan in the ceiling and just crack the vent open abit... Not really very efficient when you have to open vents on both sides of the trailer to use one haha... Only use it when we are awake. No way would I run it after we all went to sleep...

    Just a few things we have dealt with since 2008 when we started using our OFF-ROAD Tent trailer.

    We usually keep camping up into the winter months around the high country here in Virginia...

    Roy Ken
  • Without the heater or space heater, ya the popup would be unacceptable in the cold. I wouldn't count that experience, a popup without a heat would be colder than on the ground with a tent.

    We lived in Colorado most of my life, married life in Bailey and we went deep back in on weekends to camp, we camped a lot in the winter. We had a sheepherders tent with a stove, it was nice. When couples came with us and had popups, we were setup and sitting back watching them finish up, so I agree setting up a tent is faster.

    Why did we go pop-up? We moved to AZ and sleeping on the ground you get a wide verity of spiders, scorpion, snakes that like to join you. So we bought a popup.

    We liked the more comfort, also liked being off the ground, everything all ready in its place like; food, cooking, and eating stuff, but yes the popup took longer to level, and setup. Ground temperatures are steady slow changes compared to outside ambient temperatures so even in a tent the ground tends to be warmer than the underside of beds sitting out in the winds exposed to the ambient and elements. We bought a TT that is made for boon-docking so we still mostly boon-dock.

    Our needs changed, the kids joined the military and to visit we started traveling a lot. In a popup on our unexpected fast runs when I wanted to catch a few winks, we had to do it in the seat of the truck. You can't setup in rest stops or truck stops and shouldn't at places like Walmart. So we bought a hard side, with that we can stop, go back and use facilities, get a bite to eat and catch a few winks.


    I hope you find a way to accept the popup, it is a different camping experience.
  • Jeff10236,
    You've pretty much identified the advantages & disadvantages of popups over tents. The rest is a matter of perspective, attitude and personal choice.

    My suggestions:
    Get the furnace fixed. Start with the basics like making sure you have propane.
    Or get an electric space heater. Either one to make you more comfortable.

    Use a quilt, blankets or sleeping bag at night if you're not warm enough. As a side benefit, you may not need the heat as high at night. You know from tent camping that a bigger tent with more vertical walls has a harder time with wind and is harder to keep warm. No surprise that a popup is bigger & vertical. The have the flexibility to stand up to quite a bit of wind, but it gets noisy. On the other hand, it's nice to have a big dry space inside if it happens to be raining.

    Weed through the stuff you take and make sure you are taking what you need and leaving home clutter you don't need. That makes everything easier.

    You're stuck with the parking & storage situation unless you move. It's just part of the cost of the hobby. If you're moving anyway, trailer parking & storage becomes one part of the consideration when choosing a new place.