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nohurry wrote:
Just a comment, then I'm out.

As far as the "hotshotters" etc, I don't doubt the claim. The Cummins is solid, easier to work on and reliable. I don't think anyone is denying that.

My observation though is that all you almost always hear over and over again...Cummins, Cummins, Cummins!!! Fine, but why then, when the 6.0, and 6.4's get bashed don't you hear Navistar! Nope, it's Ford, Ford, Ford!!

And yes, I know Ford jacked with those engines. I'm just sayin.

God, I love my truck!!!!!

Because Ford tuned those engines against Navistar's advice, as you said "jacked". They lasted much longer in their native Navistar state in a variety of applications.

And Ford hung their "Power Stroke" name on them!!!!

Me Again wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:


To add to that when Spud posted a link to fleetowner that showed the current 6.7PSD has ~75% of the diesel engine marketshare to the <25% cummins market

I do not know what fleetowner you are taking about. Every new Ambulance, Wrecker and Armored car I have seen in the last couple three years was on the a RAM chassis.

This was posted on TDR site today by cummins12v98.

"I just arrived yesterday in Elkhart, IN the RV Capitol of the world. I traveled from SoCal starting last Wednesday and traveled thru CA, AZ, NM, MO, IL and IN. I noted every RV hauler and hotshotter with a DOT sign on the side of their truck. I assumed it would be RAM, GM and then Ford way last but not so.

Results

RAM 59 Dually's, 5 SRW Total 64

Ford 10 Dually's, 5 SRW Total 15

GM 7 Dually's, 3 SRW Total 13

I stopped counting once I hit Elkhart. I have seen MANY RAM's here since yesterday with a couple fords and GM's.

My experience driving I-5 is different with the vast majority being RAM's and about 1/3 being GM's and near no Fords each trip North and south."

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Sounds like the blind leading the blind over at TDR. :R

I can say we did the same when driving from Texas to Florida we counted HD trucks pulling campers. What we found was a ratio of 10 Fords to every 1 ram. The ram count increased once we reached Texas but it's clear the southern states favor Ford and GM over ram. Perhaps the folks here prefer American built trucks than the northern states.

As for the Ambulances and the utility trucks are dominated by Ford F450/F550 and again the Ford Power Stroke has 75% of the market share compared to the cummins 25% so it's clear who dominates. The Houston area is growing like crazy and the utility trucks are all over and they are all Fords. I've yet to see a single ram in this sector, but I do see few ram's with a ambulance package but again this area is dominated by Ford.

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Just a comment, then I'm out.

As far as the "hotshotters" etc, I don't doubt the claim. The Cummins is solid, easier to work on and reliable. I don't think anyone is denying that.

My observation though is that all you almost always hear over and over again...Cummins, Cummins, Cummins!!! Fine, but why then, when the 6.0, and 6.4's get bashed don't you hear Navistar! Nope, it's Ford, Ford, Ford!!

And yes, I know Ford jacked with those engines. I'm just sayin.

God, I love my truck!!!!!

mich800 wrote:

I have seen nearly those GM and Ford numbers than that just on the turnpike going through OH and PA during the high delivery season.

Maybe you could edit this so that we could understand what you are saying? Chris

patriotgrunt wrote:

Me Again wrote:


Results

RAM 59 Dually's, 5 SRW Total 64

Ford 10 Dually's, 5 SRW Total 15

GM 7 Dually's, 3 SRW Total 13

I stopped counting once I hit Elkhart. I have seen MANY RAM's here since yesterday with a couple fords and GM's.

My experience driving I-5 is different with the vast majority being RAM's and about 1/3 being GM's and near no Fords each trip North and south."

Real trucks doing real work!

I highly doubt your scientific results counting trucks on the highway. The market share highly favors Ford. I play this game with my three boys on long trips and almost every time our results reflect the sales numbers. Ford #1, Ram #2, and GM #3 in heavy duty trucks. For half tons its a close fight between Ford and GM with Ram in a distant 3rd.

Now as for your work comment, that's just plain silly. Everyone one knows Ford is the truck for blue collar workers. Again none of this has to do with the OPs original question, but props to Ford for making a great in house engine and transmission.

I have seen nearly those GM and Ford numbers than that just on the turnpike going through OH and PA during the high delivery season.

Me Again wrote:


Results

RAM 59 Dually's, 5 SRW Total 64

Ford 10 Dually's, 5 SRW Total 15

GM 7 Dually's, 3 SRW Total 13

I stopped counting once I hit Elkhart. I have seen MANY RAM's here since yesterday with a couple fords and GM's.

My experience driving I-5 is different with the vast majority being RAM's and about 1/3 being GM's and near no Fords each trip North and south."

Real trucks doing real work!

I highly doubt your scientific results counting trucks on the highway. The market share highly favors Ford. I play this game with my three boys on long trips and almost every time our results reflect the sales numbers. Ford #1, Ram #2, and GM #3 in heavy duty trucks. For half tons its a close fight between Ford and GM with Ram in a distant 3rd.

Now as for your work comment, that's just plain silly. Everyone knows Ford is the truck for blue collar workers. Again none of this has to do with the OPs original question, but props to Ford for making a great in house engine and transmission.

spoon059 wrote:

n7bsn wrote:

spoon059 wrote:
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The new Bosch fuel pump seems to have much better reliability than the original version used by both Ford and GM.
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...and VW, and Audi and....

What is your point? VW and Audi don't make 1 ton trucks. I was providing factual information to answer the OP's question.

By the way, I was complementing Ford for recognizing a problem with a 3rd party part and working to improve reliability.

The point that was attempting to be made was that the CP 4.2 Bosch pump used in GM/Ford is the "big brother" or twin cylinder version of the single cylinder Bosch CP 4.1 used in VW and Audi, among other diesel cars.

I'd still go with a 15 or newer Ford. :B I'm actually waiting to see what the payload numbers are gonna be on the 17's with aluminum bodies.

FishOnOne wrote:


To add to that when Spud posted a link to fleetowner that showed the current 6.7PSD has ~75% of the diesel engine marketshare to the <25% cummins market

I do not know what fleetowner you are taking about. Every new Ambulance, Wrecker and Armored car I have seen in the last couple three years was on the a RAM chassis.

This was posted on TDR site today by cummins12v98.

"I just arrived yesterday in Elkhart, IN the RV Capitol of the world. I traveled from SoCal starting last Wednesday and traveled thru CA, AZ, NM, MO, IL and IN. I noted every RV hauler and hotshotter with a DOT sign on the side of their truck. I assumed it would be RAM, GM and then Ford way last but not so.

Results

RAM 59 Dually's, 5 SRW Total 64

Ford 10 Dually's, 5 SRW Total 15

GM 7 Dually's, 3 SRW Total 13

I stopped counting once I hit Elkhart. I have seen MANY RAM's here since yesterday with a couple fords and GM's.

My experience driving I-5 is different with the vast majority being RAM's and about 1/3 being GM's and near no Fords each trip North and south."

Real trucks doing real work!

Grit dog wrote:

4x4ord wrote:
So if the latest Powerstroke engine coupled to the new 6r140 is a better powertrain then what Chevy or Ram offer, does it really matter. I feel quite confident that even a new Ram is capable of doing anything I ask my Ford to do.

Will have none of that around here.......can't have a proper brand war or you're giving props to the enemy!! Lol

They need a little help.;)