Ford Ecoboost to 6.2L Economy

Samsonsworld wrote:


My F150 is almost 6000lbs. So yes, there is at least a 1000lb difference, maybe a little more? But I have contemplated that, too. I've towed with much more weight on the F150 than I did on my recent trip towing with the F250, including 4 more people and all of their carp...which I promise weighed more than 1000 lbs. This last trip was just me and one of our dogs.

Sounds to me like you may want to run down to the Ford dealer today and unload that F250, cut your losses. You're never going to be satisfied? You want the Powerstroke. Or an F250 with ecoboost that Ford does not offer, and most likely never will for a whole host of reasons. One of which is the Super Duty's are designed for construction companies and such. Companies that beat them to death daily towing equipment, and usually not paying any attention to specifications and capacities like youre supposed to do according to the weight police on forums, not the general public towing RV's.

Apples to Oranges and designed for two totally different markets and purposes.

From reading through this thread it leads me to believe you still have the F150? Have you parked one beside the other and crawled underneath, comparing the differences in everything under them, and some stuff not under them like the cooling arrangemets? The F250 is much more capable in the long run than any F150 no matter what's under the hood or in any max package.

Samsonsworld wrote:

Hybridhunter wrote:

Again, that was not what you originally said or posted......you keep "double speaking"......The EB recommends premium for heavy duty usage, it is not the same advisement or context as the 6.2 in the F250, which does not refer to usage, but to best performance, which all the recent owners manuals for the more recent generation of Ford powertrains suggest.

And to state the obvious, a 7000# truck does not perform as well as a 5000# truck with similar power......I never suggested it did either.

The EB manual says for best performance. I don't find where it says premium is required? Here is an excerpt: "Premium fuel will provide improved performance and is recommended for severe duty usage such as trailer tow."

And here is an excerpt from the 2017 F250 manual: "For best overall vehicle and engine performance, premium fuel with an octane rating of 91 or higher is recommended. The performance gained by using premium fuel is most noticeable in hot weather as well as other conditions, for example when towing a trailer."

They look like they are both saying the same thing to me.

My F150 is almost 6000lbs. So yes, there is at least a 1000lb difference, maybe a little more? But I haveeeds contemplated that, too. I've towed with much more weight on the F150 than I did on my recent trip towing with the F250, including 4 more people and all of their carp...which I promise weighed more than 1000 lbs. This last trip was just me and one of our dogs.

Have to say I do not read it as the same. What I take from the two passages you posted is that the EB only needs premium fuel when towing or under severe duty usage.

But the 2017 250 and most likely the 350,450 and 550 trucks should be run on premium fuel all the time "for best results". That does not mean you have to use premium fuel but to achieve the best results from your truck you will need to run premium fuel.

Don

I think the Ecoboost did better in those tests.


2013 Ecobooost F150 towing 15k


2011 F350 6.2L towing 15k

Aside from the F150 suspension popping of course.

A group of guys from FTE would have a annual trailer pull meet in Ohio and would pull a hill with a trailer loaded around 10k-15k pounds. If I remember correctly a Eco Boost and a 6.2 Super Duty would pull the load with similar performance. Both would clearly outperform the V10 2V without a doubt.

It appears I did remember correctly....

Ford vs. GM: Twin-Turbo Showdown

"We should note Ford tells us that its power outputs improve
slightly, measuring 385 horsepower and 430 pounds-feet of torque
when using premium fuel, instead of the regular fuel the owner's
manual recommends."

Regular fuel = 365 hp / 420 lb-ft

Premium fuel = 385 hp / 430 lb-ft

Samsonsworld wrote:

Hybridhunter wrote:
recommends premium for heavy use, the 6.2 in the F250 and F350 does not

Actually, my manuals read the same for both. For optimum performance, use premium.

The difference in performance between engines is quite noticeable.

Hmm, I did not notice that but sure enough there it is in the Super Duty owners manual just like it says for the Ecoboost in the F150 owners manual.

2017 Ford Superduty Owners manual - Page 185

"For best overall vehicle and engine
performance, premium fuel with an octane
rating of 91 or higher is recommended. The
performance gained by using premium fuel
is most noticeable in hot weather as well
as other conditions, for example when towing
a trailer."

The F150 owner's manual says the same exact thing because the engine will advance timing and increase power output if premium fuel is detected. I would imagine the 6.2L does the same. It is not that it is needed just like the Ecoboost, but if you want the engine to increase power for the best overall performance then you can add premium. I believe the Gen 1 3.5L Ecoboost increased its performance to 385 hp and 430 lb-ft when running on premium fuel from what I remember from a PUTC article.

Some here actually believe the Ecoboost requires it when towing heavy, but they are misinterpreting what Ford is saying here. I guess they haven't gotten up to snuff on the latest technology like wide band knock sensors and cam phasers that can adjust timing and engine power output on the fly unlike the old days when engines had fixed timing.

Engines that run on E85 do the same thing. They will alter timing and increase power output when running E85, but this does not mean you need to run it. It just means you will gain more power and performance from engine when running it.

Hybridhunter wrote:

Again, that was not what you originally said or posted......you keep "double speaking"......The EB recommends premium for heavy duty usage, it is not the same advisement or context as the 6.2 in the F250, which does not refer to usage, but to best performance, which all the recent owners manuals for the more recent generation of Ford powertrains suggest.

And to state the obvious, a 7000# truck does not perform as well as a 5000# truck with similar power......I never suggested it did either.

The EB manual says for best performance. I don't find where it says premium is required? Here is an excerpt: "Premium fuel will provide improved performance and is recommended for severe duty usage such as trailer tow."

And here is an excerpt from the 2017 F250 manual: "For best overall vehicle and engine performance, premium fuel with an octane rating of 91 or higher is recommended. The performance gained by using premium fuel is most noticeable in hot weather as well as other conditions, for example when towing a trailer."

They look like they are both saying the same thing to me.

My F150 is almost 6000lbs. So yes, there is at least a 1000lb difference, maybe a little more? But I have contemplated that, too. I've towed with much more weight on the F150 than I did on my recent trip towing with the F250, including 4 more people and all of their carp...which I promise weighed more than 1000 lbs. This last trip was just me and one of our dogs.

Samsonsworld wrote:

Hybridhunter wrote:
recommends premium for heavy use, the 6.2 in the F250 and F350 does not

Actually, my manuals read the same for both. For optimum performance, use premium.

The difference in performance between engines is quite noticeable.

Again, that was not what you originally said or posted......you keep "double speaking"......The EB recommends premium for heavy duty usage, it is not the same advisement or context as the 6.2 in the F250, which does not refer to usage, but to best performance, which all the recent owners manuals for the more recent generation of Ford powertrains suggest.

And to state the obvious, a 7000# truck does not perform as well as a 5000# truck with similar power......I never suggested it did either.

I had a Toyota that took 8k before mpgs peaked, so I know its definitely a possibility. My f150 took about 3k.

Samsonsworld wrote:
And just for the record, I'm scratching my head a little. Is my new truck not broke in, does it weigh more than I think, did I get a lemon....idk, maybe I'm missing something.

Mine had over 5000 miles on it when I bought it, but I have read on a few FTE posts that there is an improvement in performance after 5000 miles.

I came from a 2008 V10 and do feel the 6.2 is equal to or better than it. Pulling close to 10k I lock out 6 and drive it like it’s stolen.

S