Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:
Dude you should learn to read. I said Ford will have a winner with this engine I didn't bring the EB into this. I was just posting a comment to Troy's post eight pages in no less. Sorry you can't figure that out. The only thing I said was that Ford decided they were going to fallow (copy) Ram's lead and jump into the 150/1500 diesel market like I said they would do way back in 2013 LMAO!
I didn't say you brought the EB into this. Where did I say that? What I did say is that you usually bring the Ecodiesel into the Ecoboost threads. Maybe you should take your own advice about the reading.
Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:
Ford kept saying they were not going to build a f150 diesel all the way up to 2016.
I don't recall them saying that. They have been telling us on the dealer level that it will be coming for at least 5 years now, but first wanted to release the Ecoboost, then aluminum, and then the 10 speed.
Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:
As for the EB threads I stay out of them until the Ram bashing starts and then I may or may not post something. Get your facts straight if you are going to talk Sh!t about someone pal.
Well, it is true that you do come into the EB threads to talk about your Ecodiesel quit often. Do you want me to post examples?
Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:
So do tell ShinerBock what have you seen with your own eyes? Ford's diesel is not out and the Ram EcoD tows trailers just fine.
If you would have taken your own advice again a read a few pages back where I stated I was in the passenger seat of a slightly less powerful than this Ford 3.0 Ecodiesel towing travel trailer that weighed just 6.5K. On the flats it would do fine, but on inclines it would drop speed down to 50-55 mph similar to this this Ecodiesel towing 7k(
LINK). I also seen many other medium duty trucks at work with slightly more horsepower than the Ecodiesel and even more gears struggle the same way up hills with the same weight. This tells me that there is not way a slightly more powerful Ford 3.0L diesel is going to tow 11.4k at most half tone truck owners expectations especially up hills.
Now you might say that this little Ford diesel has a 10-speed so it should do better than an 8-speed Ecodiesel. Well yes, but very little. You see, gears only multiple torque, not horsepower, and it is horsepower that determines your speed. More gears simply just give you more opportunities to be in the "sweet pot" of the engines power band at more roads speeds to help you better utilize the engines power. Math will also tell you how much horsepower is needed to move an object with a certain amount of resistance at a certain speed and 250hp is just not enough for many half ton owners expectations towing a 10k plus travel trailer. Some may not mind going slower, but the average half ton truck buyer won't like going that slow without power to spare and paying the added cost in fuel for more power would be worth it to them.
Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:
Again, we have a guy over @ ram1500diesel.com that has a 2014 EcoD and tows RV's for a living. He has almost 350K on the clock here is the list of major repairs in the first 250K miles, Light switch, tail light bulb, alignment 196,000, Lift pump - $158 part 230,000 replaced chalky serpentine belt 250,000. So these little diesels are nothing to turn your nose up at.
And the point here is? Where was I talking about how many miles an engine can or can't go? I can show you a video of an Ecoboost at 200k as well, but that is not what I was saying. Maybe if you took your advice again and read what I have been stating then.....
What I have been saying is that the only major benefit these little diesels have is cost savings from better fuel economy. That's it. They are not more powerful than their gas counterparts, they are not more capable than their gas counterparts, and they definitely don't have better performance their the gas counters parts. So if this benefit is very minimal(below $50 a month) for the average half ton truck buyer then they will not sell many of them. Most people in this market are comfortable with paying the small cost difference for more power, performance, and capability because they see it as a benefit. More power usually does cost more, and if more people would rather pay to have it then so be it. I am not sure why you guys are mad about it. After all, it is not coming out of your wallet.
