Huntindog wrote:
FishOnOne wrote:
Huntindog wrote:
lenr wrote:
Fundamentally warranty coverage and warranty repair approval comes down to a marketing decision. Ford is the largest seller and GM was just coming out of bankruptcy when the CP4 pumps came on the scene--both their marketing departments were doing the math and making a decision. I have read of (supposedly) actual cases over on www.thedieselstop.com (Ford forum) where the Ma and Pa station had algae and water in their fuel and another where the lazy delivery truck driver didn't adequately flush the ethanol out of the truck tank before loading diesel. Doesn't matter--water, DEF, gasoline, or ethanol in the fuel is going to blow the pump. From memory the NHSTA numbers were .06%, 6 in 10,000--and Ford repaired some of those. Yes, it would suck if it happened to you. But, I give every fuel stop the 10 second fresh fuel evaluation--does it look high volume and how desperate am I for fuel? And, I get a receipt for every tank of fuel so I could go back on station insurance if there is a problem. Also, some have gotten the repair paid for by comprehensive vehicle insurance when warranty was denied.
IIRCC, NHSTA figures are warranty numbers. At least that is what it seems to read, and I DO remember some discussion as to just what that would do to the numbers of GM failures compared to Fords. Of course since Ford was denying claims, and GM was not.... That would show up in GMs higher failure rate that the NHSTA numbers showed.... We had a big discussion about it, but could never nail down just what the impact was.... Only that there was an impact.
Your living in a alternate universe if you think GM or any other manufacturer will cover fuel contamination damage under warranty.
GM should have installed a lift pump that many have recommended and their failure rate would have been lower.
Did I say that? NOPE.
But there were tons of reports of Ford denying warranty... And practically zero from GM owners. You seem to be saying that Ford owners have a tendancy to buy bad fuel..... And GM owners only buy good fuel.... That is warped logic. They all buy the same fuel. As for the lift pump comment.... Many think that the Ford filtration system was inferior to GMs in that it passed water to the pump. Both Ford and GM have revamped their filtration system.... But bottom line is, If the filtration system was NOT doing it's job.... Then that is on Ford and GM. Not the customer. The customer should not have to do fuel tests at every fill up to ensure good fuel.... That is what the filters are for.
GM understood that. Ford did not.
I never said the owners of one brand purchased bad quality fuel and another brand purchased good quality fuel. They all get fuel from the same supply chain... good or bad. Both brands should be statistically the same although one brand sells a lot more diesel trucks than the other brand.
Also being that both GM and Ford had similar failure rates of the CP4.2 pump one cannot connect the dots and say one brand simply quietly fixed all failures while the other voided the warranty unless one has an agenda. Do you know if these fuel pumps failed from infant mortality or fuel contamination? You seam like you know the answer but I can assure you that you don't.
I've had on a couple of occasions drained water from my fuel filter (remember the massive flooding from hurricanes around this region) and with 163k miles my fuel system is all original.
Also ask a diesel tech that works on these trucks. I have... My cousin has worked both in the Ford and Ram shops. I while back I asked him point blank does Ford pressure you to void a fuel system warranty and his response was simply no and the same answer for Chrysler warranty coverage which includes both CP3 and CP4.2 trucks. He did mention that some dealers were caught not inspecting the fuel system and was simply quoting the full repair bill to the customer.
Just another tidbit we were camping at a state park a couple years ago, and I was filling my parents Chevy truck with DEF under the hood as I always have for my dad, and the guy across the street saw me doing this. He came by to visit us later and jokingly said he wished he had someone fill his def tank because the Chevy dealer did not mention anything to him about def and where to fill it. He found out the hard way with the repair bill due to DEF fuel contamination by that same dealer that sold him his truck.
