Ford running out of diesel engines

wanderingbob wrote:
Initial cost sounds like a big deal until you go to sell your used diesel , A five year old diesel will bring you back $4500 or 5,000 more when you go to sell .

That’s great! You spent $10k on the diesel motor in the first place. Now you’re only $5,000 to $5,500 in the hole. :)

I’ve only logged about 2.75 million miles, mostly in Ford Powerstrokes, and with today’s prices and poor fuel economy, there is no way a diesel will pay for itself or return money to offset the costs over any gas counterpart unless you tow heavy daily.

For fun, i’m trying a 3.0L Stroke in an F150. I basically pulled a deal to get the truck where the Diesel engine was a pittance over the EcoBoost. At 25-28mpg, and diesel costing a solid 25 cents a gallon less than gas here, I’m not losing money, but I can’t say I’m laughing all the way to the bank... even at 40k+ miles a year (average, pre-Covid).

Initial cost sounds like a big deal until you go to sell your used diesel , A five year old diesel will bring you back $4500 or 5,000 more when you go to sell .

I don't think this has much to do with not offering it in the F600. The medium/heavy duty market is very cyclical meaning you generally have a several years where you can't build enough trucks followed by a few years where they just sit on the lot. Regardless of how backed up we are, we still at least offer all engines and products on the truck specs even if they are not currently available and build date is over a year out. We would leave it up to the customer on whether they wanted to wait or go with another option that put the build date sooner. The only reason why we would not offer something to be ordered from a year model is if it has some sort of block on it due to a safety recall, not yet certified, and so on.

theoldwizard1 wrote:

Groover wrote:
Production of the Powerstroke is down 50% due to Covid in Mexico.

Mexico issues

This could help explain the news on the F600.

Personally, I think demand for the Powerstoke is going to drop off now that the new 7.3L gas and 10 speed are available, especially fleet buyers.

Diesels only make sense if you are carrying a very heavy load AND you are driving >50,000 miles/year. The initial cost and maintenance really hurt the "total cost of ownership". In my area diesel cost more than gasoline and you still have to buy DEF.

Haha, not, they're still apples and oranges.
Taking nothing away from the new 7.3 gasser, it's a nice setup, but totally not earth shattering. I've had production cars with the same or more power for over 10 years. It's just a little bump up from "last years" model, figuratively speaking.
Now, come up with a big forced induction gasser that can close the gap some more and that may steal diesel sales....but the mfgs would have to stuff dual 40 gal saddle tanks in them to make it from gas station to gas station!

Sounds like they need to go back to the Cummins for the 650 and up.

Groover wrote:
Production of the Powerstroke is down 50% due to Covid in Mexico.

Mexico issues

This could help explain the news on the F600.

Personally, I think demand for the Powerstoke is going to drop off now that the new 7.3L gas and 10 speed are available, especially fleet buyers.

Diesels only make sense if you are carrying a very heavy load AND you are driving >50,000 miles/year. The initial cost and maintenance really hurt the "total cost of ownership". In my area diesel cost more than gasoline and you still have to buy DEF.