Ford stops taking orders on the lightening

valhalla360 wrote:

Lantley wrote:

If the roll out of EV F-150's is smooth without lots of issues then their popularity will grow quickly.
If there are lots of growing pains and head scratching EV's popularity will stall.
It's easy to look at Tesla and try to mimick what they are doing.
Actually converting a legacy ICE maker to EV is far more challenging!

Roll out will be the deciding factor. I was skeptical of the ecoboost 3.5 but it's gone pretty well, so hopefully since Ford didn't dump an EV pickup out quick, they sorted out the details.

I do think the ICE will hang around for quite a while. If you plan to do towing, EV simply isn't there but if they sell 1,000,000 F-150's per year, they can carve out a sizable niche for the electric ones as most never do any significant towing.

Why do you think a legacy automaker would have difficulty putting out an EV? Most of the EVs coming out (tesla included) achieve range by putting big battery packs in as opposed to a lot of technology. If it's cost competitive and no big muck ups, I expect they will sell well. Just a bit of a slow transition with the general supply chain issues and ramping up the new subcomponent parts.

I see the potential for difficulty because Tesla has an entirely different sales and service model.
There is not a Tesla deaership on every corner. Tesla only does one thing EV! Can Ford or any legacy dealer keep up with it all?
EV and ICE under one roof.
An ICE mechanic may not be as proficeient with a volt meter and osciliscope as a EV mechanic.
It's an entire new world for legacy dealers.
Can you teach an old dog new tricks?
I'm not saying it can't be done. But starting from scratch is sometimes easier than trying to adapt!
Microsoft was able to manilpulate the computer in ways IBM never imagined. Google raised the bar on Microsoft.
Tesla has now re invented how to propel a car down the road.
Will the legacy car dealers figure it out?
Time will tell,but merely trying to mimick Tesla will not be enough to turn the big ships around.

My local Ford dealer has two Mach E's in stock. Both have a $2,500 ADM.

Reisender wrote:
I didn’t like the orientation of the screen but that’s just because I’m used to our Teslas.

I'm looking at Kia right now.. the EV6. Looks pretty nice, but the dealer wants MSRP for it. I guess in this market he just may get it.

2oldman wrote:

Reisender wrote:
... the Mustang Mach E. To the point where they are piling up on the lots a bit.

I went to my local Ford dealer where they had ONE Mach E on the lot. Salesman said "It's not for sale." I went back 2 weeks later for a test drive, and it had been sold.

Do you have any idea why they would say that?

Hard to say. Maybe they had a deposit subject to viewing. Seen that before.

Just checking autotrader last week they had 44 for sale in the province. I didn’t pay attention to the prices and quite honestly wouldn’t know if they were high or low anyway.

We sat in one a few months ago. It was nice. I didn’t like the orientation of the screen but that’s just because I’m used to our Teslas.

Cheers.

Lantley wrote:

If the roll out of EV F-150's is smooth without lots of issues then their popularity will grow quickly.
If there are lots of growing pains and head scratching EV's popularity will stall.
It's easy to look at Tesla and try to mimick what they are doing.
Actually converting a legacy ICE maker to EV is far more challenging!

Roll out will be the deciding factor. I was skeptical of the ecoboost 3.5 but it's gone pretty well, so hopefully since Ford didn't dump an EV pickup out quick, they sorted out the details.

I do think the ICE will hang around for quite a while. If you plan to do towing, EV simply isn't there but if they sell 1,000,000 F-150's per year, they can carve out a sizable niche for the electric ones as most never do any significant towing.

Why do you think a legacy automaker would have difficulty putting out an EV? Most of the EVs coming out (tesla included) achieve range by putting big battery packs in as opposed to a lot of technology. If it's cost competitive and no big muck ups, I expect they will sell well. Just a bit of a slow transition with the general supply chain issues and ramping up the new subcomponent parts.

2oldman wrote:

Reisender wrote:
... the Mustang Mach E. To the point where they are piling up on the lots a bit.

I went to my local Ford dealer where they had ONE Mach E on the lot. Salesman said "It's not for sale." I went back 2 weeks later for a test drive, and it had been sold.

Do you have any idea why they would say that?

He knew you weren't the guy who would make a stupid high offer on it?

Reisender wrote:
... the Mustang Mach E. To the point where they are piling up on the lots a bit.

I went to my local Ford dealer where they had ONE Mach E on the lot. Salesman said "It's not for sale." I went back 2 weeks later for a test drive, and it had been sold.

Do you have any idea why they would say that?

time2roll wrote:

Reisender wrote:
That happens here with the Mustang Mach E. To the point where they are piling up on the lots a bit. Literally the only EV here without a waiting list...if you are willing to pay a little more.

Jmho.

Coworker was told $20,000 ADM
I assume that adds to sales tax, gap insurance, collision insurance not to mention the monthly payment.

Yah I’m not up on how much more they are charging here but it wouldn’t surprise me. Seeing more around town so they must be selling a few. Nice looking in burgundy.

Reisender wrote:
That happens here with the Mustang Mach E. To the point where they are piling up on the lots a bit. Literally the only EV here without a waiting list...if you are willing to pay a little more.

Jmho.

Coworker was told $20,000 ADM
I assume that adds to sales tax, gap insurance, collision insurance not to mention the monthly payment.

time2roll wrote:

bgum wrote:
What a way to keep sales and prices up.

Don't worry the dealers will still get their ADM on top of everything else.

That happens here with the Mustang Mach E. To the point where they are piling up on the lots a bit. Literally the only EV here without a waiting list...if you are willing to pay a little more.

Jmho.