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rhagfo wrote:
Well yes the upfront cost is more, but worth more at trade in or selling.
LOL.
This is no different than the woman who claims "it was on sale and we saved a lot of money" after spending thousands on more shoes and clothes, to be put in a full closet of nothing to wear.Gatorm wrote:
If this were true then your statement of going with the diesel would be obvious. The problem is, this isn’t the case. The diesel cost more up front by $8-10k, it takes 2-3x more oil every oil change, fuel filters are $100 and up every 2-3 oil changes, fuel is $.30-50 more per gallon, not to mention if you ever have a def/dpf failure or a turbo failure or injector failure or complete fuel system replacement (any of these sound familiar? I bet they do) then the cost of ownership is way out of balance. The diesel pulls a ton better. Trust me I know. I’m a auto dealer and sell lots of 3/4 and 1 ton trucks so I’ve driven and used all of them in gas and diesel. If you pull over 10k lbs more than once a week I would go diesel. If you don’t, save yourself a bunch of money and time and buy the gas truck. Also, the gas truck, in my opinion is a better daily driver than a diesel.
Well yes the upfront cost is more, but worth more at trade in or selling. Oil changes 10 to 15K miles, so oil changes are a wash. Yes fuel filters are a bit pricey, but only every 15K.
Fuel cost where I live diesel is currently cheaper than gas by about 34 cents a gallon.- My 15 RAM, 12 quarts oil every 15k, fuel filters 15k and air filter every 20k. Sure doesn’t break my Bank. Let’s see a gasser tow my 24k RV at 9mpg. If my RV weighed 11-12k I would still own my truck but maybe with two less tires.
- ^You revived a 4 year old thread to try n start an argument about an engine that is now replaced by a newer one?
Slow day in your world? Lol IdaD wrote:
spud1957 wrote:
Of course it always turns into the diesel argument. Yes, high fuel mileage going up the gauntlet. What are your diesels getting going up it? I suspect the delta between the two is not much different than non gauntlet towing.
I think they run around 4 or a little better on that particular run from videos I've seen in the past. Real world with a camper you're probably comparing 7 or 8 with a big gas truck versus 11 or 12 with a diesel. Not great either way. Mileage is only part of the equation, though. Screaming up a grade at 5500 RPM isn't my idea of a relaxing trip even though I know they're designed to do it. I would also bet that the truck in the video would struggle significantly more if it were pulling something like a fifth wheel that drags a lot more air.
In my mind there's really not much cost difference between the two if you look at a total ownership cost. The diesel is more up front and will cost a little more to maintain, but will get better fuel economy and resale value. Which begs the question - if the cost delta is immaterial, why not opt for the higher performing diesel? That's something you can appreciate anytime you get behind the wheel.
If this were true then your statement of going with the diesel would be obvious. The problem is, this isn’t the case. The diesel cost more up front by $8-10k, it takes 2-3x more oil every oil change, fuel filters are $100 and up every 2-3 oil changes, fuel is $.30-50 more per gallon, not to mention if you ever have a def/dpf failure or a turbo failure or injector failure or complete fuel system replacement (any of these sound familiar? I bet they do) then the cost of ownership is way out of balance. The diesel pulls a ton better. Trust me I know. I’m a auto dealer and sell lots of 3/4 and 1 ton trucks so I’ve driven and used all of them in gas and diesel. If you pull over 10k lbs more than once a week I would go diesel. If you don’t, save yourself a bunch of money and time and buy the gas truck. Also, the gas truck, in my opinion is a better daily driver than a diesel.- Ford definitely has a winner with the 6.2L. We have several of them at my work and they have all been bulletproof so far.
TomG2 wrote:
In just a few short years, the "Gauntlet" run has lost some of its meaning. All recent models can run the speed limit, which makes the timed part of the run almost meaningless. There used to be considerable difference between makes and models. We are the winners.
x2- In just a few short years, the "Gauntlet" run has lost some of its meaning. All recent models can run the speed limit, which makes the timed part of the run almost meaningless. There used to be considerable difference between makes and models. We are the winners.
stufarmer wrote:
I just traded in my 16' 4x4 F350 Diesel for a 17' F250 4x4 6.2 w/4:30 axle ratio. The Power Stroke performed flawlessly. But, theres something to be said for a Gas Motor that now Exceeds the HP & Torque numbers that made Diesel trucks as popular as they are today. Without the expense and complexity Diesels now require.
The highest-power engine available for commercial use in the Ford F650 was, until this year, the gas V10. (They derated the V10 from 350HP to 320, probably to make the top 330HP diesel look better.)- I'd take either truck with our trailer, slip in with truck traffic and enjoy the view with the subtle V8 hot rod music at 4k~rpm. If I want to run up the Ike at 70mph and get great mileage, we'll just take our Prius and stay in a resort hotel.
