Fords 6.7 Scorpion Diesel motor

B.O. Plenty wrote:

ricatic wrote:
I had one...lot's of power, pulled my fiver fine and was a nice truck for 35000 miles...then the sad truth about Ford and it's diesels raised its ugly head...the truck just stopped one day and would not restart...after 3 failed attempts to fix it,it was determined the HPFP ate itself... the dealer needed an out for all his wasted time so a fabricated "water in fuel" diagnosis fixed that...and me...even after completely refuting the WIF claim at a different dealership, Ford still stuck me with a non-warranty repair that cost over $10,000.00...thus no more Fords for us...and about 175 others that saw my plight and bought something else...Good Job Ford...

Shameful treatment of a lifelong customer to save face for a crooked Ford dealership...the Blue Koolaid Crowd will claim "it's not Ford, it's the crooked dealership"...bull puckey...Ford World HQ called me to personally deny the coverage...

Shame on Ford...

Regards

For what it's worth..I traded into a new Chevrolet, solely based on what Rick went through with his Ford. I met Rick at a rally and knew how much he believed in his Fords...Chalk up another one Rick. Now it's 176 others...

B.O.

Put me on the list. After reading about his fiasco with Ford and my self dealing with issues on a 2010 F150 and getting no help, I made the switch to Ram/Cummins too.

wintersun wrote:
There are expected big changes that will be occurring with diesel engines in the 2016-2017 time frame so that they can use lower weight motor oils and so get better fuel economy. If I was considering buying a truck with a diesel engine I would buy a 2014 or 2015 model year truck regardless of the manufacturer.

Diesel powered pickup trucks have a lot more problems than the ones with gas engines and both types have problems that will still bring them to a halt or require a trip to the dealer. All diesel pickups have greatly improved in reliability since 2010.

The top selling are still the Ram trucks with the Cummins engines. Ram sells more 1-ton pickups than all the others (Ford, GM, Chevy) combined each year.

The fuel system is the weak point on a diesel not so much as in terms of a failure of the pump as with faster wear of the injectors. With the high pressure common rail fuel systems the fuel and all the particles are injected at from 29,000 PSI (Duramax) to as much as 42,000 PSI and so the particles are striking the metal at extremely high velocity and doing more damage than with earlier systems. The only protection from diesel fuel, which is very dirty by its nature, is a super efficient fuel filter.

The stock fuel filters are not very efficient. Diesel fuel in the USA commonly has 5,000 particles per milliliter which translates to 1.8 million particles per gallon. A fuel filter that is touted as removing 98.7% of particles is still letting 240,000 particles pass through the filter media and into the injectors with every gallon of fuel that is burned.

Replacing the fuel filter more often actually makes the situation much worse as fuel filters (and air filters as well) become more effective with filter loading. There are after market adapters so you can use 2-micron filters instead of the 4-micron OEM ones and these can filter out 90% of the particles that the OEM filters would allow to go into the injectors. With the Cummins engine you do not need the adapter and the CAT filters are already providing 2-micron filtration and they are a third the cost of the far less effective filters provided by Ford and GM.

You and the OP get post's of the year.

Bottom line, what happened to Ricatic was very unfortunate. For whatever reason his pump failed, Ford took quite a beating on this forum and others. For right or wrong, they got a decent amount of bad press for failing to cover a damaged item. It is what it is.

That being said my cousin has a 2011 F250 with the 6.7. He treats it like crap. Runs it hard on the farm, tows way overloaded, doesn't let it cool down after riding it hard, runs it around the city on errands, etc. He LOVES it. Has tons of power and gets decent mileage on the highway. He is over 80K miles last I checked at Thanksgiving.

If I needed a diesel, I would certainly look at what Ford has to offer. I'm not sure if you need to lift the cab to work on the engine though. Something you might want to look into.

For my money though, the Ram's look like the best option.

1Longbow wrote:
Anyone have any long term experience with this motor,such as towing ,likes ,dislikes. I like the looks of the Super Duty,but did'nt like the 6.0 motor. Just wondering about the new one. Thank you

Here you go http://www.powerstroke.org/forum/6-7-motor-problems/ enjoy.

ricatic wrote:
I had one...lot's of power, pulled my fiver fine and was a nice truck for 35000 miles...then the sad truth about Ford and it's diesels raised its ugly head...the truck just stopped one day and would not restart...after 3 failed attempts to fix it,it was determined the HPFP ate itself... the dealer needed an out for all his wasted time so a fabricated "water in fuel" diagnosis fixed that...and me...even after completely refuting the WIF claim at a different dealership, Ford still stuck me with a non-warranty repair that cost over $10,000.00...thus no more Fords for us...and about 175 others that saw my plight and bought something else...Good Job Ford...

Shameful treatment of a lifelong customer to save face for a crooked Ford dealership...the Blue Koolaid Crowd will claim "it's not Ford, it's the crooked dealership"...bull puckey...Ford World HQ called me to personally deny the coverage...

Shame on Ford...

Regards

For what it's worth..I traded into a new Chevrolet, solely based on what Rick went through with his Ford. I met Rick at a rally and knew how much he believed in his Fords...Chalk up another one Rick. Now it's 176 others...

B.O.

FishOnOne wrote:

A couple of years ago I helped out two couples on two different occasions stranded on I10 and one of those couples was on the lower part of a curve which was a very bad place to be stranded on a fast paced highway.

BTW... Those two trucks were RAM 6.7 cummins. I would hope no one, especially a older couple not knowing what to do get in a bad spot. I suppose their peace of mind was to unload those trucks but who knows.

Last time I checked, this thread was supposed to be about someone asking about the 6.7 Powerstroke, not the Cummins. But, I guess it was too much of a temptation to not jump on an opportunity to bash Rams.

Just to add to your statistical record about roadside breakdowns, I have had exactly two family vacations interrupted by transmission failure, leaving us on the side of the road and costing us a lot of time and money. Both vehicles were properly maintained Fords. I got over it, and hopefully I will buy another Ford in the future. I just have never felt a need to blast a brand because of a couple of really bad experiences. But, to each his own.

We understand your disdain for Rams. Believe me, we do.

ricatic wrote:
I had one...lot's of power, pulled my fiver fine and was a nice truck for 35000 miles...then the sad truth about Ford and it's diesels raised its ugly head...the truck just stopped one day and would not restart...after 3 failed attempts to fix it,it was determined the HPFP ate itself... the dealer needed an out for all his wasted time so a fabricated "water in fuel" diagnosis fixed that...and me...even after completely refuting the WIF claim at a different dealership, Ford still stuck me with a non-warranty repair that cost over $10,000.00...thus no more Fords for us...and about 175 others that saw my plight and bought something else...Good Job Ford...

Shameful treatment of a lifelong customer to save face for a crooked Ford dealership...the Blue Koolaid Crowd will claim "it's not Ford, it's the crooked dealership"...bull puckey...Ford World HQ called me to personally deny the coverage...

Shame on Ford...

Regards

I've been a loyal Ford owner for thirty years, but I won't be buying another one for the same reason. I've had pretty bad service with my last two. Ford covered up major problems with my truck until after the warranty ended.

My fuel injector control module went out at 60,000 miles and 96,000 miles. Other owners told me that their FICMs were replaced under warranty up to 100,000 miles, but Ford refused to cover mine. It was $800 a visit.

They also covered up a blown head gasket when a simple test measuring Carbon Monoxide in the coolant would have detected it. By the time the problem was properly diagnosed, the truck was no long in warrant and it cost me $8000.

Another trip to the dealer for a 30 dollar fuel pressure regulator spring ended up costing me $1300 because they claimed the problem was actually a dirty turbo. After they cleaned the turbo the problem was still occurring. That's when they replaced the $30 spring. Any reputable repair facility wouldn't charge you for their own misdiagnosis.

1Longbow:

well, as you see here the Ford 6.7L gets some pretty passionate debate going.

As I previously stated, I think, aside from the fuel pump itself, that it is and will be a pretty good motor.

I did previously own a 2011 F 350 with the 6.7L, and it proved to be a trouble free motor. I had already planned on trading sometime in the spring of 2015 when I just ran into a deal too good to pass up in late September and traded then instead. Got a new Ram 3500, which was always my intent anyway, whenever I traded.

I've owned all three major diesel pickups and had pretty much trouble free performance from all. Mind you I do trade about every four years of so, so perhaps my mileage has not been high enough on any of these to give an accurate long term reflection of any particular vehicle.

It may rest your mind somewhat, and reflect also on those posts from 6.7L Ford owners who praise their vehicle, that the fuel pump problems discussed here, at least on the Ford part, show up so far in only about three percent of total vehicles.

At least about a year ago, it was reported at about the three percent of total vehicles had a fuel pump failure. I have not seen or read any current figures for this.

So rest assured that it does appear 97% of owners of the 6.7L diesel are having no major problems.

I was one during the time I owned the vehicle. However, due to fuel lubricity concerns, I always added a lubricity additive to my fuel tank, each and every time I filled.

I mostly used the Ford product that they recommend in the owners manual, which is their PM-22A additive, found at most all Ford dealers.

I will leave you with a link to a hotshot trucker from YouTube. He has (at time of this video) 196,000 miles on his 2011 Ford F-450 with the 6.7L Scorpion diesel engine hauling cars from the Denver area to Arizona.

The engine itself seems to have been fine for this guy, but as he is seriously loading, perhaps overloading the vehicle, he has had rear differential and tire problems.

A day in the life video Ford F-450

wintersun wrote:
There are expected big changes that will be occurring with diesel engines in the 2016-2017 time frame so that they can use lower weight motor oils and so get better fuel economy. If I was considering buying a truck with a diesel engine I would buy a 2014 or 2015 model year truck regardless of the manufacturer.

You'd buy a 14 or 15 cause you're expecting problems with these newer diesels? Or because they'll be less powerful?

There are expected big changes that will be occurring with diesel engines in the 2016-2017 time frame so that they can use lower weight motor oils and so get better fuel economy. If I was considering buying a truck with a diesel engine I would buy a 2014 or 2015 model year truck regardless of the manufacturer.

Diesel powered pickup trucks have a lot more problems than the ones with gas engines and both types have problems that will still bring them to a halt or require a trip to the dealer. All diesel pickups have greatly improved in reliability since 2010.

The top selling are still the Ram trucks with the Cummins engines. Ram sells more 1-ton pickups than all the others (Ford, GM, Chevy) combined each year.

The fuel system is the weak point on a diesel not so much as in terms of a failure of the pump as with faster wear of the injectors. With the high pressure common rail fuel systems the fuel and all the particles are injected at from 29,000 PSI (Duramax) to as much as 42,000 PSI and so the particles are striking the metal at extremely high velocity and doing more damage than with earlier systems. The only protection from diesel fuel, which is very dirty by its nature, is a super efficient fuel filter.

The stock fuel filters are not very efficient. Diesel fuel in the USA commonly has 5,000 particles per milliliter which translates to 1.8 million particles per gallon. A fuel filter that is touted as removing 98.7% of particles is still letting 240,000 particles pass through the filter media and into the injectors with every gallon of fuel that is burned.

Replacing the fuel filter more often actually makes the situation much worse as fuel filters (and air filters as well) become more effective with filter loading. There are after market adapters so you can use 2-micron filters instead of the 4-micron OEM ones and these can filter out 90% of the particles that the OEM filters would allow to go into the injectors. With the Cummins engine you do not need the adapter and the CAT filters are already providing 2-micron filtration and they are a third the cost of the far less effective filters provided by Ford and GM.