Fords 6.7 Scorpion Diesel motor

NinerBikes wrote:

RedRocket204 wrote:

The Mad Norsky wrote:

RedRocket204 wrote:
1Longbow,


Keep in mind that of all the negative nancy's posting in this thread, only two of them actually owned the 6.7L Powerstroke, the rest are just continually spewing stuff they read online.

It's a common agenda for these posters on this forum.

:h

I do hope one of those two is me. I owned one from 2011 until September of this year.

Yes and ricatic is the other. The rest like to run their mouths about stuff they have only read about and have no true experience like they are experts on the subject.

experts... LOL


Am I an expert? No! I just call out the BS as I see it.

Hey mouth piece... If you think I have no skin in the game, you are dead wrong... I own 2 Touareg TDI's with Bosch CP4.2 HPFP's in them. I also owned a 2012 passat tdi with a Bosch CP4. NHTSA and their file a complaint is on my speed dial on my smart phone. All I am going to need to see is a P0087 "Low Fuel rail pressure code" show up on my Torque App, and then the T25 bit comes out and the pressure sensor on my Bosch HPFP comes off to look inside for metal bits and shavings.

If those two items show up, NHTSA is going to hear from me about how unsafe this vehicle in stalling on me in rush hour traffic.

So glad you are capable of diagnosing your own failures, instead of getting a snow job from the service manager at any dealership you go to, or worse yet, getting hit for deductible out of pocket when the dealership weasels out on warranty work.

I hope I never have to get a new HPFP due to failure, but I run a pinch of biodiesel in every fillup, since I took delivery brand new, day 1, in every one of them.

Oh and here's the facts...


I've seen in excess of 10 of these pumps, apart, in and out of failed VW TDIs, held the failed pumps in my hand. This one out of a Touareg. I've dissected a few of them also.

Some of us walk the walk, the rest of you are in the dark. FACT. Until you do failure analysis, you're just another blue oval koolaid drinking fanboi. Just calling it as I see it. One day, it might be your turn for a tow job and a 2 to 3 week wait. Come back then, and tell us about it, when it's your turn.

I see...6.7L? Nope. Check. Another "expert" what?

And who is the fanboi? Have I defended Ford here? Nope...just pointing out where the BS is king. And it's deep in this thread...once again.

RedRocket204 wrote:

The Mad Norsky wrote:

RedRocket204 wrote:
1Longbow,


Keep in mind that of all the negative nancy's posting in this thread, only two of them actually owned the 6.7L Powerstroke, the rest are just continually spewing stuff they read online.

It's a common agenda for these posters on this forum.

:h

I do hope one of those two is me. I owned one from 2011 until September of this year.

Yes and ricatic is the other. The rest like to run their mouths about stuff they have only read about and have no true experience like they are experts on the subject.

experts... LOL


Am I an expert? No! I just call out the BS as I see it.

Hey mouth piece... If you think I have no skin in the game, you are dead wrong... I own 2 Touareg TDI's with Bosch CP4.2 HPFP's in them. I also owned a 2012 passat tdi with a Bosch CP4. NHTSA and their file a complaint is on my speed dial on my smart phone. All I am going to need to see is a P0087 "Low Fuel rail pressure code" show up on my Torque App, and then the T25 bit comes out and the pressure sensor on my Bosch HPFP comes off to look inside for metal bits and shavings.

If those two items show up, NHTSA is going to hear from me about how unsafe this vehicle in stalling on me in rush hour traffic.

So glad you are capable of diagnosing your own failures, instead of getting a snow job from the service manager at any dealership you go to, or worse yet, getting hit for deductible out of pocket when the dealership weasels out on warranty work.

I hope I never have to get a new HPFP due to failure, but I run a pinch of biodiesel in every fillup, since I took delivery brand new, day 1, in every one of them.

Oh and here's the facts...





I've seen in excess of 10 of these pumps, apart, in and out of failed VW TDIs, held the failed pumps in my hand. This one out of a Touareg. I've dissected a few of them also.

Some of us walk the walk, the rest of you are in the dark. FACT. Until you do failure analysis, you're just another blue oval koolaid drinking fanboi. Just calling it as I see it. One day, it might be your turn for a tow job and a 2 to 3 week wait. Come back then, and tell us about it, when it's your turn.

The Mad Norsky wrote:

RedRocket204 wrote:
1Longbow,


Keep in mind that of all the negative nancy's posting in this thread, only two of them actually owned the 6.7L Powerstroke, the rest are just continually spewing stuff they read online.

It's a common agenda for these posters on this forum.

:h

I do hope one of those two is me. I owned one from 2011 until September of this year.

Yes and ricatic is the other. The rest like to run their mouths about stuff they have only read about and have no true experience like they are experts on the subject.

experts... LOL


Am I an expert? No! I just call out the BS as I see it.

RedRocket204 wrote:
1Longbow,


Keep in mind that of all the negative nancy's posting in this thread, only two of them actually owned the 6.7L Powerstroke, the rest are just continually spewing stuff they read online.

It's a common agenda for these posters on this forum.

:h

I do hope one of those two is me. I owned one from 2011 until September of this year.

Bought it, loved it, drove it all over the US of A. But, boy did I research, dig and read after the fuel pump information came out.

There's negatives on all vehicles in some manner or another.

Just an example, but my new Ram is gonna be a pain to change the oil filter on. My Ford on the other hand was simple to change oil on, although I really did NOT like the plastic oil pan. Because of the pan, Fumoto does NOT make a drain valve for that year truck.

I do think if the originator of this thread reads carefully enough, he will find most all have had good experiences with their Ford 6.7L.

However, there is still the fuel pump issue to be concerned with. For that reason, I always added the Ford lubricity additive to each and every tank of fuel added to my vehicle.

I really haven't heard of any 6.7 owner reporting a failed water pump either.

1Longbow,


Keep in mind that of all the negative nancy's posting in this thread, only two of them actually owned the 6.7L Powerstroke, the rest are just continually spewing stuff they read online.

It's a common agenda for these posters on this forum.

A day in the life video Ford 6.7; When watching this video at the 11:30 mark he looking at the rods and pistons, if the 6.7 is better then why did they go to a smaller rod? as he said so it will rev faster. This is a diesel for pulling not a racecar, this is only one reason why I am getting rid of my 6.4 for a 6.7 Cummins, along with the other problems associated with the 6.4. I have had a 6.9, 7.3, 6.0, and a 6.4.

agesilaus wrote:
If you dropped the ad hominem attacks you might get a more sympathetic hearing. I'm not claiming your version of events is false as I stated above. I never accept any account as being the one true version after hearing one side.

And that is because to every story there are two sides, and then the truth, which is almost always somewhere in the middle. It's human nature, we always add our own tilt.

I'm just shocked at the lack of complaints from the claimed 100's of owners who've had to shell out 10 to 15K to have their 60K trucks fixed. There certainly are owners who've had trouble and been shafted like Ric, but it seems like you've got better odds of winning the lottery than having a Bosch fuel pump failure in your powerstroke.

dodge guy wrote:
So, the water in fuel light is not set properly! so when the light comes on it`s too late? sounds like a defect in design!
Kind of like having a fuel tank run out of gas and still showing 1/8 of a tank left. or a temp gauge that shows normal temp, but the actual engine is overheating! how would the customer know there was a problem when everything is showing normal?

And FWIW, I`ve driven a few 6.7`s and I`m not impressed! no power and lousy mileage. my boss has a `14 F250 with the 6.7 and the best it gets on a 40 mile rural round trip is 14mpg! (minimal stops and an average of 45mph). my 02 V-10 X can get 12 on just about the same trip.

I have heard many comments about the 6.7 engine, most really good and a slight number negative. I have never heard anyone describe it as having NO POWER! But then I haven't driven a few, only mine while towing across 26 states.

blofgren wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

blofgren wrote:

The Mad Norsky wrote:
1Longbow:

here is one more for your viewing pleasure. Comes from YouTube, PowerStroke help guy. He finally gets his hand on a 6.7L Scorpion engine.

Some insightful comments made during the video. He also covers the main bearings, and their lack of keying to hold them in place, as mentioned by a previous poster.

Link: PowerStroke help critiques the 6.7L Scorpion motor

Good god this video is an eye opener. The 6.7L is a definite improvement over the 6.0L and 6.4L but still a lot of inherent design issues. I think my jaw dropped when he stated that Ford fixed the front cover design by making it leak coolant externally rather than internally when cavitation wears through the cover. How about fixing the cavitation problem to begin with? This type of thing is exactly why I did not buy another Ford; buy a truck with inherent design issues. Maybe they will rear their ugly head while the truck is on warranty and you can go and fight with Ford about getting warranty coverage. OR, maybe they will rear their ugly head after the warranty is up and the owner is on the hook for a big repair bill. No thank you.

Thanks for the video; I am feeling even better about my choice to buy the Cummins now!

You my friend are the blind leading the blind... How do you know Ford has a cavitation problem with the water pumps on the 6.7 PSD? Because Bill said so? :S

Enjoy your tractor engine... :W (According to Gale Banks and not me!)

I would say the fact that there is a formal procedure for checking coolant pH and a maintenance reminder that pops up on the information screen points to there still being an issue/risk of cavitation. I remember having to check for additive in the coolant of my 1996 7.3L; and this maintenance requirement is still there almost 20 years later!

I don't think that it can be denied that the 6.7L is a bit of a high maintenance engine with some serious inherent design flaws. The fact that there are so many changes to the 2015 version proves it. Hopefully Ford got it right this time and don't leave owners with super pricy repair bills like I'm sure many of the earlier versions will.

Trust me, I was a true Ford man inside and out before buying my current truck. My grandfather was the sales manager for 25 years at a Ford dealer on the Canadian prairies and my large extended family drove nothing but Fords (all different types of cars and trucks and many of them) for many years including 3 Ford trucks myself. My last truck was a 6.0L and I defended them for years including spending several thousand dollars in bulletproofing it. Then I needed a truck with a bigger cab and found that even with a 6.0L with decent reliability I was going to get hosed on resale, and I did. I researched the Ford 6.7L extensively and read common threads of HPFP failures, valve failures, and turbo failures and decided that I really did not want to be in this boat again so I decided to try a different route.

And, I most certainly will continue to enjoy my tractor engine (with no coolant testing requirement!) ;)

Trust me I was a GM man from a GM family. I purchase and use trucks for personal use to farm and ranch use. Day in and day out our Ford trucks just hold up better with less overall repairs.

I'll continue to use the trucks that provide the most economical solution to our overhead and from time to time we try different brands from different years. My BIL had a 09 6.7 cummins and had to unload it after 9 months of nothing but trouble with the turbo and DPF clogging to a 05 Dodge Cummins I purchase used that was always in need of a repair. Now granted these trucks are used in some pretty harsh environments including pulling some massive fertilizer tanks off road and cattle trailers, but day in and day out the Ford trucks always hold up better and cost less to operate.

The second gen 6.7 was a power upgrade. My current '12 truck with 58k miles receives oil changes every 5.5k miles, fuel filter every 23k miles for maintenance and replacement parts have been a set of tires, windshield wipers and shocks.

ELC coolant testing is not a bad idea, especially for people who take their truck to a quick lube that has people who like to top of the coolant and most likely will top off with the wrong type. The contamination tests is to test for contaminants that has nothing to do with the testing you did for your 7.3 PSD. I have not tested my coolant to date and don't need to.