Fords 6.7 Scorpion Diesel motor

4x4ord wrote:
I have only 112,000 km on my 2011 but it has been the best pick up I have ever owned so far. Shortly after buying the truck I misread the markings at a card lock and filled it up with gasoline. I never realized it till it started rattling. Pumped the fuel from my truck into my wife's car and another gasoline vehicle and have not had any issue arise from doing so. So the pump doesn't seem that fragile to me. Oh, I put DEF into my diesel tank as well without consequence. I use the truck to pull a 30,000 lb trailer and change engine oil every 25,000 km....one fuel filter change, one air filter and one set of tires in 4 years.

There is no way you put DEF into the diesel tank and left it in there and didn`t have any issues!

Anyone know what the most used truck is for hotshot use? It would seem that those that purposely put major miles on their trucks would want the most reliable. If not the most reliable then the least expensive to fix.

FishOnOne wrote:

blofgren wrote:

The Mad Norsky wrote:
1Longbow:

here is one more for your viewing pleasure. Comes from YouTube, PowerStroke help guy. He finally gets his hand on a 6.7L Scorpion engine.

Some insightful comments made during the video. He also covers the main bearings, and their lack of keying to hold them in place, as mentioned by a previous poster.

Link: PowerStroke help critiques the 6.7L Scorpion motor

Good god this video is an eye opener. The 6.7L is a definite improvement over the 6.0L and 6.4L but still a lot of inherent design issues. I think my jaw dropped when he stated that Ford fixed the front cover design by making it leak coolant externally rather than internally when cavitation wears through the cover. How about fixing the cavitation problem to begin with? This type of thing is exactly why I did not buy another Ford; buy a truck with inherent design issues. Maybe they will rear their ugly head while the truck is on warranty and you can go and fight with Ford about getting warranty coverage. OR, maybe they will rear their ugly head after the warranty is up and the owner is on the hook for a big repair bill. No thank you.

Thanks for the video; I am feeling even better about my choice to buy the Cummins now!

You my friend are the blind leading the blind... How do you know Ford has a cavitation problem with the water pumps on the 6.7 PSD? Because Bill said so? :S

Enjoy your tractor engine... :W (According to Gale Banks and not me!)

You keep saying that! I am proud to have owned three "tractor engines". The same engine that broke the land speed record in a Dakota known as the Banks Sidewinder.

Same engines that power large gen sets running 24/7 and large boats and motorhomes and let's not forget what is the ONLY DIESEL found in the F650/750 thru the model year 2015....CUMMINS!

Fast Mopar wrote:

ib516 wrote:

Point is, you can find horror stories about almost any vehicle - especially these days. It's all in what you want to see & believe.

My opinion is that the big 3 diesels all have their own issues these days, mostly related to the emissions junk on them, or because of the horsepower & torque wars that are raging among them.

I agree. Thanks for the well-balanced comments. Not much of that here.

I will be keeping an eye out for the new Italian RAM 1500 Ecodiesel motor, the new kid on the block, and how it fares with overloading and abuse, before failures start appearing. I hope it fares better than my Dad's 128 Fiat did in the mid to late 1970's, or my other friends Ferrari 308 GTS. The 308 required you to own a tow truck service on call 24/7.

ib516 wrote:

Point is, you can find horror stories about almost any vehicle - especially these days. It's all in what you want to see & believe.

My opinion is that the big 3 diesels all have their own issues these days, mostly related to the emissions junk on them, or because of the horsepower & torque wars that are raging among them.

I agree. Thanks for the well-balanced comments. Not much of that here.

4x4ord wrote:
I have only 112,000 km on my 2011 but it has been the best pick up I have ever owned so far. Shortly after buying the truck I misread the markings at a card lock and filled it up with gasoline. I never realized it till it started rattling. Pumped the fuel from my truck into my wife's car and another gasoline vehicle and have not had any issue arise from doing so. So the pump doesn't seem that fragile to me. Oh, I put DEF into my diesel tank as well without consequence. I use the truck to pull a 30,000 lb trailer and change engine oil every 25,000 km....one fuel filter change, one air filter and one set of tires in 4 years.

Pumps gas and DEF into his diesel fuel tank.... There's your sign. My BS meter just got pegged. Next time, try pumping water into your fuel tank and fuel system, to clean it out, good and proper. :S Because DEF is only what 66% pure distilled water, and 34% urea/ammonia.

FishOnOne wrote:

marspec wrote:
I don't know if there's been any changes but I posted the following in February on another topic:

My son is the head Ford diesel tech at his dealership. Talked to him last night and asked about his experience with the 6.7. They have not had a single injection pump or turbo replacement. They have had a "few" EGR problems with service vehicles that had many hours of idle time. They did have an early one with a cam/valve problem. Ford replaced that engine with a new one and had it sent back for autopsy. Mine only has 12K towing a 16K fiver for over 10K but hasn't seen the inside of a dealership but for one oil change when I was on the road.

Since then I have just over 20K on my 6.7 with 17.5K of that towing with no problems.

In addition like I mentioned earlier my cousin is a long time Ford diesel tech starting in '93. The dealership he works at sells Ford, Chrysler, Jeep, RAM. He basically now works full time on RAM cummins trucks simply because the repair work in the Ford shop has dropped significantly since the 6.7 PSD has been introduced. In addition this dealer sells ~ 4 Power Strokes to 1 Cummins yet there's more techs working in the Chrysler shop.

His experience on warranty repairs between Ford and RAM is that he never had a problem with Ford denying warranty and their process is fairly simple, and with Chrysler there's more red tape he has to go thru to get approval. One thing common is both manufactures are frugal with the time they pay for a particular warranty repair.

This guy would disagree with your cousin:

"I ran some reports last night and we have done a couple 2011 and 2012 engines. I was really stunned at the amount of radiators and DPF's that had been done. More the radiators. DPF's dont really suprise me. most of these trucks are bucket trucks and that is a totally different ball game when it comes to reliablility. Specially with all the idle time they get. Heres the thing though and im not totally knocking Ford and you guys are prolly going to crenge when i say this but i have SEVERAL Dodge bucket trucks with Cummins and have had Zero issues with them. I was looking at the data on those and we have several 2010 trucks pushing 200k that have only had oil changes, brakes, and tires. I know one thing. I am so tired buying injectors for 6.0's and replacing all of the fuel systems on the 6.4's. Oh that was another thing. I have seen several of the 6.7 trashed fuel system due to "WATER IN THE FUEL". What the hell is that about? Well i know what its about but no one will do anything about it."

When challenged about his info and who he works for, he posted:

"I work for one of the larger land line telecommunications companies in the nation. We are in 48 states. Most of our diesels are bucket trucks and spend a lot of time idling or in high idle. High idle doesn't seen to be enough of a load to work the emissions on these trucks. I've been watching some of our long haul trucks that do a lot more road time and they seem to do better than the ones that stay in the air. These things aren't grocery gitters and I really think people are buying diesels for the wrong reasons. The diesels today aren't the diesels of yesterday. They need to be worked. We are buying 850 new vehicles this year and 60 of them are F-450's and will be gas. We have done lots of analysis and between the cost of maintenance and repair cost gas is a better option. When I have to replace an engine in a bucket diesel I try to buy running complete that way all the fuel system and emissions is covered under warranty. We buy Jasper but they only offer a 6.0 in a running complete. Which is about $15k. I'll buy a 6.4 and have Jasper supply all the other parts to cover every thing under the warranty. I have talked to a lot of people who oppose Jasper but I have never had them deny warranty and it doesn't matter where the truck is at."

FORD DIESEL FORUM LINK

Point is, you can find horror stories about almost any vehicle - especially these days. It's all in what you want to see & believe.

My opinion is that the big 3 diesels all have their own issues these days, mostly related to the emissions junk on them, or because of the horsepower & torque wars that are raging among them.

NinerBikes wrote:
A very fitting name for the R&D project turned production. Seems more than a few owners have been stung by scorpion FOMOCO and their diesel products, once again, with venomous warranties. Not just a few, but many, with far too much down time before the unit is back in service. I find that unacceptable. But I guess you are OK with it. Everyone is OK with it, until they become a statistic... then they stop singing the Koolaid tune.

Once again, a baseless claim without facts to support the "many" leads to continued fear mongering tactics. Don't forget, as T & P point out, this thread is about the 6.7L.

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

almost always for Cab & Chassis problems which, IIRC, are problems related to turbos or valve problems (which are different from the 350/250 SD), or in relation to some yahoo running a tuner but somehow you conveniently do not mention that.

LMAO, ya, that's right, this is all CC problems. LOL

And your reading comprehension is ??? Per the quote, pointed out your links are almost always, not all. Absolute statements will absolutely make you look foolish.

And BTW, are there 0 TSBs or any reported problems for your beloved GM? Show me a vehicle manufacturer that doesn't have TSBs? Fear mongering.

Turtle n Peeps wrote:
No problem with me not fixing your leaf blower. My BIL who's car I used to work on just won the last huge championship race of the season. The jokes on you, because the car has a Ford engine in it. LMAO

Thanks for obliging. So, you got your claim to fame working on a race team because of family? The joke's on me? LMAO


You two have not shown any credible facts to support the making of your "expert" opinions, i.e. your personal credentials that make you an expert.

I have only 112,000 km on my 2011 but it has been the best pick up I have ever owned so far. Shortly after buying the truck I misread the markings at a card lock and filled it up with gasoline. I never realized it till it started rattling. Pumped the fuel from my truck into my wife's car and another gasoline vehicle and have not had any issue arise from doing so. So the pump doesn't seem that fragile to me. Oh, I put DEF into my diesel tank as well without consequence. I use the truck to pull a 30,000 lb trailer and change engine oil every 25,000 km....one fuel filter change, one air filter and one set of tires in 4 years.

The grades Marty references can be tough but I find the transition to and from those grades can be even worse. I have seen many low slung cars or ones with front air dams get hung up as well as vehicles towing on these grades.