Four Wheel Campers

jimh406 wrote:

Grit dog wrote:
Right now I could buy a comparable one for less than I sold it for less than 2 months ago.

Not many people buy RVs during Late Fall in Western Washington, so how much is time of year?

A good deal of it for sure. But that was my point. Even after Labor Day I got good money that I feel was an anomaly.
And the 20/21 fall/winter, I was searching the whole time and not near as much for sale for typical bp toyhaulers and the prices were still crazy.

Grit dog wrote:
Right now I could buy a comparable one for less than I sold it for less than 2 months ago.

Not many people buy RVs during Late Fall in Western Washington, so how much is time of year?

cptqueeg wrote:


My experience with FWC was buying one, finding out it didn't suit our needs, and then selling it for MORE than I paid for it a year earlier an a matter of HOURS. I got calls from 2500 miles away.

To be clear, FWCs may be great campers, but this ^ experience was compliments of Covid.
What it does mean though, is you likely didn't get fleeced on the purchase like many have.
Heck, I bought a run of the mill Toyhauler in the late spring of 2021, at the height of Covid camper purchases and sold it AFTER camping season this year for a shade more than I paid, NOT during the buying season here in the northern states.
Just caught the tail end of the Covid Camper Crisis...lol.
Right now I could buy a comparable one for less than I sold it for less than 2 months ago.

I agree that not all manufacturers have extreme growth as a business model. It takes a lot of work and risk to grow a business. On the other hand, all RVs and especially TCs are all "niche" products. ;)

My guess is Four Wheel Campers is exactly the size they want to be. You'd have to ask them why. Their newest ownership group started in 2016.

It seems to me that their prices have gone up over the years because people really like them, but they've also increased the models and types including the relatively new Project M..

Personally, I wouldn't hesitate to get one if I was interested in a popup.

mkirsch wrote:

cptqueeg wrote:

mkirsch wrote:

csh_2088 wrote:
I was looking on the four wheel campers site and they have gotten pretty expensive.

They always have been expensive for what they are. That's why they're not more popular. For the same money or less you can get a fully appointed camper.

Actually they are very popular and the reason that you don't see more is they have limited production unlike the vast majority of RV builders that added "capacity" to deliver units, but failed at delivering any kind of quality or workmanship. Nor will they have to lay off workers when the overall RV business slows.

If the campers were popular they would add production capacity to keep up with demand, set up a dealer network, etc.. They are leaving vast amounts of money on the table if they are intentionally refusing to keep up with demand to artificially inflate the perception of their product.

Fact of the matter is people gravitate to cheaper. They are going to lose out to a camper that sells cheaper with more features, every time. That's why they are a niche product in a niche market, and always will be.

You have some funny ideas that are nothing but speculation based on what you perceive FWC's business model is.

Not every company has the ability, need, or desire to maximize revenue in order to maximize profit. Maximizing may not be in the best interests of the owners or employees. (Some people are never satisfied and put their companies at risk in the process of being the biggest and/or most profitable.)

My experience with FWC was buying one, finding out it didn't suit our needs, and then selling it for MORE than I paid for it a year earlier an a matter of HOURS. I got calls from 2500 miles away. Oh it had ZERO defects in workmanship and materials. And Hallmark is the same way, they want to build as many units as they can manage, and still maintain their quality, employees, and customer relations.

For those that price is the only thing in the pop up world there is always Palomino.

cptqueeg wrote:

mkirsch wrote:

csh_2088 wrote:
I was looking on the four wheel campers site and they have gotten pretty expensive.

They always have been expensive for what they are. That's why they're not more popular. For the same money or less you can get a fully appointed camper.

Actually they are very popular and the reason that you don't see more is they have limited production unlike the vast majority of RV builders that added "capacity" to deliver units, but failed at delivering any kind of quality or workmanship. Nor will they have to lay off workers when the overall RV business slows.

If the campers were popular they would add production capacity to keep up with demand, set up a dealer network, etc.. They are leaving vast amounts of money on the table if they are intentionally refusing to keep up with demand to artificially inflate the perception of their product.

Fact of the matter is people gravitate to cheaper. They are going to lose out to a camper that sells cheaper with more features, every time. That's why they are a niche product in a niche market, and always will be.

I have been sleeping in trucks with canopies for 50 years. You have to leave a window open for ventilation. I like a slider in the front near where I am sleeping.

They can be heated by a little Buddy heater. We used to just use a Coleman lantern. Mostly I just use down sleeping bags and wool blankets. It was around 20 degrees this spring at Twin Lakes area in CA near Bridgeport. It was -8 there last night.

I slept at a ski area in CO one night after getting upset with a girl friend. It was an old Totoyta truck with carpet and good insulation. I was fine at around -15 degrees F.

I am considering getting a Bed Rug kit for the back of my Ram 2500.

There is no doubt that the pop top campers are going to release a lot of heat compared to regular hard sides but they are lighter and much less top heavy and easier to get around with. Still way ahead of a tent and even the back of a good pickemup.

mkirsch wrote:

csh_2088 wrote:
I was looking on the four wheel campers site and they have gotten pretty expensive.

They always have been expensive for what they are. That's why they're not more popular. For the same money or less you can get a fully appointed camper.

Actually they are very popular and the reason that you don't see more is they have limited production unlike the vast majority of RV builders that added "capacity" to deliver units, but failed at delivering any kind of quality or workmanship. Nor will they have to lay off workers when the overall RV business slows.

csh_2088 wrote:
I was looking on the four wheel campers site and they have gotten pretty expensive.

They always have been expensive for what they are. That's why they're not more popular. For the same money or less you can get a fully appointed camper.

I was looking on the four wheel campers site and they have gotten pretty expensive.