fuel additives

Cummins12V98 wrote:
How many injector non additive failures are there? I am on the TurboDiesel Register and i have never heard of one. Now poor filtration does cause failures.

Some additives may help but they certainly are not needed.

AMZ/OIL sells Cetane Boost and Fuel conditioner. Anyone on here knows I am an AMZ/OIL fan but I don't use those products. Not saying they don't do a good job but for the money spent and return on the dollar not worth it IMHO.

You are not understanding my question. I am not questioning whether you think that you need additives. That is your opinion which you are entitled to have.

My question was asking why you brought up filters and what they have to do with additives? As far as I know, filters and additives do two different things to the fuel so I was a bit puzzled as to why they were brought up as a reason not to need/use additives.

When I Googled: (bosch HPFP failures), I got 12,800 hits, maybe your Google doesn't work. :h

How many injector non additive failures are there? I am on the TurboDiesel Register and i have never heard of one. Now poor filtration does cause failures.

Some additives may help but they certainly are not needed.

AMZ/OIL sells Cetane Boost and Fuel conditioner. Anyone on here knows I am an AMZ/OIL fan but I don't use those products. Not saying they don't do a good job but for the money spent and return on the dollar not worth it IMHO.

Cummins12V98 wrote:
Bottom line is filtration or lack of it caused many third gen injector issues, it had nothing to do with additives or not.

I see no reason to use additives plane and simple. Is that clear enough.

I don't think you understand what filters and additives do. While both improve the quality of fuel, they do it in different ways that aren't linked to each other.

Filters improve fuel quality by keeping contaminants like dirt, water, and air from going to your engine. Additives improve how the fuel combusts, add lubricity, and have detergents to clean carbon from the combustion process. There are some water emulsifier/demulsifier additives that either contain or separate water from/in the fuel, but they still do not filter it out.

So you see they do two different things and someone saying that they don't need additives because of their filters is just as silly as saying they don't need filters because of their additives. Hence the reason why I questioned why you brought up filters in a discussion about additives since they don't do the same thing.

Now if you would have said that you don't need additional additives on top of what the fuel supplier adds because you ensure that you always get top-quality fuel with a cetane rating for optimal engine efficiency/performance and has carbon removal detergents with enough lubricity. Then I can see that as a valid reason for saying that you do not need to use additives.

Bottom line is filtration or lack of it caused many third gen injector issues, it had nothing to do with additives or not.

I see no reason to use additives plane and simple. Is that clear enough.

Cmon shiner. Don’t play 4x4ord with 12V.
You’re a smart enough guy to realize that he’s a smart enough guy to realize that fuel filters don’t control combustion chamber deposits.
There’s a difference between people who may mis speak a bit and those that die on the sword of falsehoods (of which there are plenty on this site, unfortunately).

Cummins12V98 wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
Since 2013 Cummins/RAM have a great filtering system that will help keep the fuel system in good health.

Filters have nothing to do with carbon build-up on injectors from the combustion process or the added soot production from lower cetane fuel. Filters only remove contaminants/water in the fuel. Additives alter how the fuel combusts and the deposits it leaves behind after it combusts. Additives may also add additional lubrication which may or may not be needed based on the quality and type of fuel you are using.

In fact, after doing a quick Google search, your favorite lubricant maker has a short blog article sort of explaining what I have been saying. There is more to it than this, but the basics are there. And as they point out, most refiners only go by federal or state minimum requirements. There is no incentive for them to do more than that.

AMZOIL-What Is Diesel Cetane and Why Does It Matter?

Understood, just saying the filtration has made it unusual for injectors to need to be replaced from poor filtration.

Based on that I see no need for fuel conditioner for the injectors.

I don't think lubrication plays kindly with the downstream emissions these days.

How do the filters remove carbon buildup from the combustion process? :h

I give! Never said that.

You said "filtration has made it unusual for injectors to need to be replaced from poor filtration. Based on that I see no need for fuel conditioner for the injectors." so how do filters effect excess carbon from the combustion process from using a lower quality fuel or fuel with the minimum cetane rating that is lower than what your engine was optimized to run on? Filters do nothing for this, only additives do.

ShinerBock wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
Since 2013 Cummins/RAM have a great filtering system that will help keep the fuel system in good health.

Filters have nothing to do with carbon build-up on injectors from the combustion process or the added soot production from lower cetane fuel. Filters only remove contaminants/water in the fuel. Additives alter how the fuel combusts and the deposits it leaves behind after it combusts. Additives may also add additional lubrication which may or may not be needed based on the quality and type of fuel you are using.

In fact, after doing a quick Google search, your favorite lubricant maker has a short blog article sort of explaining what I have been saying. There is more to it than this, but the basics are there. And as they point out, most refiners only go by federal or state minimum requirements. There is no incentive for them to do more than that.

AMZOIL-What Is Diesel Cetane and Why Does It Matter?

Understood, just saying the filtration has made it unusual for injectors to need to be replaced from poor filtration.

Based on that I see no need for fuel conditioner for the injectors.

I don't think lubrication plays kindly with the downstream emissions these days.

How do the filters remove carbon buildup from the combustion process? :h

I give! Never said that.

If you dried out a used fuel filter and brushed off the gunk. Then hit it with a propane torch. Wouldnt some of it turn to carbon? I was thinking a fuel filter probably does help to reduce carbon buildup over the years of use.

I wonder if high pollen areas are worse. That is a material that seems like it would burn into charcoal. Dirt maybe no so much. You can put out a fire with dirt. Wouldnt that be nice if dirt and sand produced tiny little microscopic diamonds out the tailpipe?!??

Cummins12V98 wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
Since 2013 Cummins/RAM have a great filtering system that will help keep the fuel system in good health.

Filters have nothing to do with carbon build-up on injectors from the combustion process or the added soot production from lower cetane fuel. Filters only remove contaminants/water in the fuel. Additives alter how the fuel combusts and the deposits it leaves behind after it combusts. Additives may also add additional lubrication which may or may not be needed based on the quality and type of fuel you are using.

In fact, after doing a quick Google search, your favorite lubricant maker has a short blog article sort of explaining what I have been saying. There is more to it than this, but the basics are there. And as they point out, most refiners only go by federal or state minimum requirements. There is no incentive for them to do more than that.

AMZOIL-What Is Diesel Cetane and Why Does It Matter?

Understood, just saying the filtration has made it unusual for injectors to need to be replaced from poor filtration.

Based on that I see no need for fuel conditioner for the injectors.

I don't think lubrication plays kindly with the downstream emissions these days.

How do the filters remove carbon buildup from the combustion process? :h