fuel additives

up here in canada, they put the additives in the fuel to keep it from gelling before it gets to the fuel station, don't they down there?

Same down here in the states. The fuel brands use different packet additives which are added at the fuel racks when the tanker takes on a load for delivery. See my reply on this thread on 6-24-'21 at 7:59 am about using one fuel supplier vs using different fueling stations which most owners are doing.
WE did have a forum member some years back who drove a fuel tanker and gave us insight on the packets....and sometimes those packets didn't get added.
I get a kick out of filling the fuel filter container on my '03 Dodge/Cummins with Power Service (white jug) when changing fuel filter. Crank it up and its so quiet and a big boost in seat of the pants performance for 5-10 miles.

My '03 Cummins HO just turned over 361k miles. I use mostly Power Service or Howes several times a year in the tank especially when I buy fuel from one source near me most of the time. I like how much quieter/towing performance the Cummins runs... till that tank is diluted with refills.

Grit dog wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:

Lynnmor wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
Since my 11 and now 15 RAM I have not used anything.

Prior I used a fuel conditioner or two cycle oil.

Ram didn't use the higher pressure CP4 pump till 2018.

Not sure how that relates to what I said?

It doesn't although it shows he's just commenting about something he knows nothing aboot.

If one had the IQ of a turnip, he would understand that the need for lubrication increases as the pressures increase.

ShinerBock wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
Since 2013 Cummins/RAM have a great filtering system that will help keep the fuel system in good health.

Filters have nothing to do with carbon build-up on injectors from the combustion process or the added soot production from lower cetane fuel. Filters only remove contaminants/water in the fuel. Additives alter how the fuel combusts and the deposits it leaves behind after it combusts. Additives may also add additional lubrication which may or may not be needed based on the quality and type of fuel you are using.

In fact, after doing a quick Google search, your favorite lubricant maker has a short blog article sort of explaining what I have been saying. There is more to it than this, but the basics are there. And as they point out, most refiners only go by federal or state minimum requirements. There is no incentive for them to do more than that.

AMZOIL-What Is Diesel Cetane and Why Does It Matter?

Understood, just saying the filtration has made it unusual for injectors to need to be replaced from poor filtration.

Based on that I see no need for fuel conditioner for the injectors.

I don't think lubrication plays kindly with the downstream emissions these days.

Cummins12V98 wrote:
Since 2013 Cummins/RAM have a great filtering system that will help keep the fuel system in good health.

Filters have nothing to do with carbon build-up on injectors from the combustion process or the added soot production from lower cetane fuel. Filters only remove contaminants/water in the fuel. Additives alter how the fuel combusts and the deposits it leaves behind after it combusts. Additives may also add additional lubrication which may or may not be needed based on the quality and type of fuel you are using.

In fact, after doing a quick Google search, your favorite lubricant maker has a short blog article sort of explaining what I have been saying. There is more to it than this, but the basics are there. And as they point out, most refiners only go by federal or state minimum requirements. There is no incentive for them to do more than that.

AMZOIL-What Is Diesel Cetane and Why Does It Matter?

Trackrig wrote:
If you drive in colder areas where they switch to #1 diesel in the winter, then you need it during the winter. To make #1 diesel so it flows better (doesn't turn to slush) in the winter, they take some of the wax out of it which in turn takes the lubricity out of it which in turns means you can loose your expensive injector pump.

When running #1 fuel, use the additive. If all you run is #2 fuel living in a warmer climate, then don't worry about it.

Bill

up here in canada, they put the additives in the fuel to keep it from gelling before it gets to the fuel station, don't they down there?

Aside from fuel system cleaners once and a while, I have run several and all have made no difference, although there is one additive I have been watching the test results for, it was designed or what ever by Pitsburg power and has been doing wondering in the highway tractor world and even thoes people that use it in there personal vehicles are saying they are getting amazing results. it was designed to help keep the system clean, sensors and all that stuff, but they have found there is a boost in gas milage also. when I find where I can buy it with out shipping from the US I am going to try that one.

Steve

So ARCO diesel is different than Chevron Diesel?
I know gasoline quality can vary but i always heard diesel was pretty much the same.

Some of you guys seem knowledgeable about it. How would you compare.
1. ARCO diesel
2. Chevron diesel
3. Pilot/Loves biodiesel

From what someone mentioned earlier it sounds like different states allow different minimum cetane ratings.

Since 2013 Cummins/RAM have a great filtering system that will help keep the fuel system in good health.

cummins2014 wrote:


So you are talking mileage ,and some are talking the health of the motor. So claims on both sides . I guess I was lucky on the health side not using an additive, and sacrificed mileage ,I guess . Never used it to see if there was a change in the mileage on the 7.3 nor this 6.7 Cummins .

Additives can effect the health of your engine too. Although most talk about the fuel pump, but I am referring to buildup on your injectors. If you are using a top tier fuel then you likely don't have to worry about since it already has these additives in it. Keeping your injectors clean aides in both mileage and health.

I know on my BMW diesel that uses piezo injectors, they are more sensitive to build-up versus my Cummins with electronic solenoid injectors. Being that it is a small 2 liter diesel, you can really tell in when the injectors have build-up because I will feel a noticeable drop in power and see it in my fuel mileage records.

My Cummins truck on the other hand, I can probably run the worst fuel possible for months and still not feel a difference. Part is this might be due to the fact that my diesel car is designed to run on 50 cetane while my truck is fine with 40.

Grit dog wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:


Same can be said about Valvoline Premium Blue oil that advertises their oil is "Endorsed and Approved by Cummins" on every bottle and people think they have to run it because it's recommended by Cummins.

Egggzactly!

FWIW, the only oil I won't or don't run is Rosmella T4. Or haven't in a while anyways.
Aside from the odiferous emissions, and I'll qualify with I don't understand why or how, my old 5.9 would drink T4. Couple qts between oil changes, vs never adding oil between changes any other time, except when I took off once for long trip with about 10k miles on the oil and it was down a quart.

I am a REBEL as I run AMZ/OIL. :B

Grit dog wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:

Lynnmor wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
Since my 11 and now 15 RAM I have not used anything.

Prior I used a fuel conditioner or two cycle oil.

Ram didn't use the higher pressure CP4 pump till 2018.

Not sure how that relates to what I said?

It doesn't although it shows he's just commenting about something he knows nothing aboot.

"EH"