Gas ford f250 vs Chevy Silverado 2500 towing.

Grit dog wrote:

rjstractor wrote:

Grit dog wrote:
Ralph, every truck is gonna bounce with 80lbs in the tires and an empty bed running down a rough highway to pickup a load of rebar. Drop the tire pressure for better ride or keep it up for the loads.
Still trying to remember the traditional trickiness of the F250s I've had compared to the Chevys. Can't just yet, but I'm sure it'll come to me.....
(Btw I thought they drove fine)

I get what he's talking about, but it was MUCH more pronounced when Ford still used the twin I beam (or twin traction beam on 4x4) suspension. Those trucks IMO drove fine but they did require a little more attention going down the road, especially Dad's old '86 F250. I've owned two but have driven (and still drive) trucks with that suspension a lot. I've also owned two GM trucks with the IFS and they just drive a little tighter. The newest Fords drive night and day better than the older ones, but it's still nothing like my VW Golf wagon. I haven't really driven a GM truck newer than about 2010 but I imagine if anything they are still great. Long story short, all the new trucks drive WAY better than their predecessors and you can't go wrong with any of them!

Ohhhh, he was comparing to the old TTB front axles? My mistake. I thought we were talking about new(er) trucks in this thread. I should have known......

The rebar hauling truck with the traditional trickiness is a 2016 I believe.....when you dump weight into the bed what I think you then end up with is transitional trickiness but trickiness still the same.

That's my new go to phrase. I was asked by a general contractor yesterday a technical question about camber in the product we manufacturer. My response was the camber is due to its traditional trickiness and the tradition goes back to the products inception in the 1950's........60 or 70 years should be long enough to define something as traditional lol.

rjstractor wrote:

Grit dog wrote:
Ralph, every truck is gonna bounce with 80lbs in the tires and an empty bed running down a rough highway to pickup a load of rebar. Drop the tire pressure for better ride or keep it up for the loads.
Still trying to remember the traditional trickiness of the F250s I've had compared to the Chevys. Can't just yet, but I'm sure it'll come to me.....
(Btw I thought they drove fine)

I get what he's talking about, but it was MUCH more pronounced when Ford still used the twin I beam (or twin traction beam on 4x4) suspension. Those trucks IMO drove fine but they did require a little more attention going down the road, especially Dad's old '86 F250. I've owned two but have driven (and still drive) trucks with that suspension a lot. I've also owned two GM trucks with the IFS and they just drive a little tighter. The newest Fords drive night and day better than the older ones, but it's still nothing like my VW Golf wagon. I haven't really driven a GM truck newer than about 2010 but I imagine if anything they are still great. Long story short, all the new trucks drive WAY better than their predecessors and you can't go wrong with any of them!

Ohhhh, he was comparing to the old TTB front axles? My mistake. I thought we were talking about new(er) trucks in this thread. I should have known......

Been a Ford man all my life.

We have all three where I work.

The Chevy was more comfortable to me that the others so that's what I bought.

No regrets.

Grit dog wrote:
Ralph, every truck is gonna bounce with 80lbs in the tires and an empty bed running down a rough highway to pickup a load of rebar. Drop the tire pressure for better ride or keep it up for the loads.
Still trying to remember the traditional trickiness of the F250s I've had compared to the Chevys. Can't just yet, but I'm sure it'll come to me.....
(Btw I thought they drove fine)

I get what he's talking about, but it was MUCH more pronounced when Ford still used the twin I beam (or twin traction beam on 4x4) suspension. Those trucks IMO drove fine but they did require a little more attention going down the road, especially Dad's old '86 F250. I've owned two but have driven (and still drive) trucks with that suspension a lot. I've also owned two GM trucks with the IFS and they just drive a little tighter. The newest Fords drive night and day better than the older ones, but it's still nothing like my VW Golf wagon. I haven't really driven a GM truck newer than about 2010 but I imagine if anything they are still great. Long story short, all the new trucks drive WAY better than their predecessors and you can't go wrong with any of them!

Ralph, every truck is gonna bounce with 80lbs in the tires and an empty bed running down a rough highway to pickup a load of rebar. Drop the tire pressure for better ride or keep it up for the loads.
Still trying to remember the traditional trickiness of the F250s I've had compared to the Chevys. Can't just yet, but I'm sure it'll come to me.....
(Btw I thought they drove fine)

APT wrote:

Dick_B wrote:
We have a 2011 Chevrolet Suburban 2500 with 5.7L (corrected to 6.0L) engine and six speed transmission. It struggles to pull my 7500 lbs. It can't stay in cruse control on anything but an absolute flat highway. I get 9+ mpg whether towing or around town. The only time the mileage is decent is when on the highway which I never am.
If I had to do it again I'd buy a pickup truck and put a back on it.

Your experience while valid is an outlier of statistical data. I have never heard anyone else comment as negative as you about GM's 6.0L/6-spd combo. That makes me believe you can change something to improve your experience or you can change your expectations. I would first recommend using the transmission's tow/haul mode and M5 or M4 depending on terrain and target speed. For naturally aspirated small block engines, you should keep the engine above 2500rpm when cruising and 3000-5000rpm for accelerating and hill climbing. The 6.0L will do that comfortably for 300k miles.

I tow my 6500-7000 pound TT with the same 3/4 ton Suburban at 65-75mph in 5th and 4th gears (sometimes 3rd for hills) for both in state weekend camping as well as a couple 2200 mile trips through Application Mountains. I do this with 3 rows of comfort and sleeping family. We used our Suburban as a daily driver and main family vehicle for 100k miles. We get 13mpg in mixed commuting in the summer and 12mpg winter.

I expect Ford's 6.2L to be negligibly different in all aspects. Peak torque and HP are at similar engine speeds. Transmission gearing is almost identical so you'll be in 4th ad 5th gears towing anything high walled.

Statistical data? Would that be rvnet statistics?
This is good stuff.....keep it coming!
One guy thinks switching from a sub to the virtually same pickup truck will yield differnet results and another talks about how well it tows without mentioning the towing mileage and then inserts empty mileage in the same paragraph for effect?
BTW, I am in no way dogging the 6litre GM, but some of y'all would defend your rigs' virtues to the death!
#traditionaltrickiness

Ralph Cramden wrote:

Hybridhunter wrote:

Ralph Cramden wrote:

Mortimer Brewster wrote:
A couple more things to think about - IMO Chevy seats are more comfortable than Ford’s. Ford has a better camera system.

That may be your opinion but having owned both of recent vintage to me it's more of a fact, unless the GM is the bottom LS trim level, and then you get totally different cheap seats that are like sitting on milk crates.

The GM also rides and handles night and day better than the Ford, either empty or loaded.

I don't see where one camera system really outshines the other unless if Ford has done something different after the 16 model year?

Rides yes, handles, um no. The F250 is a lot more composed when loaded, a bit more traditional in it's "trickiness". The Ford has the all around camera, with Trailer Backup assist. I've never even set it up, but it's there.

Traditional trickiness? I was wondering what that was when I take one of our F250 plant trucks to pickup rebar at our supplier, and hit the subtle nuances caused by heavy truck traffic on I 70 and it bucks me half a lane over. Traditional trickiness. I have to agree though when loaded the traditional trickiness is much less pronounced, but still a little tricky although in a traditional way.

Hahahahhaa! Thanks for the comedic relief!

Dick_B wrote:
We have a 2011 Chevrolet Suburban 2500 with 5.7L (corrected to 6.0L) engine and six speed transmission. It struggles to pull my 7500 lbs. It can't stay in cruse control on anything but an absolute flat highway. I get 9+ mpg whether towing or around town. The only time the mileage is decent is when on the highway which I never am.
If I had to do it again I'd buy a pickup truck and put a back on it.

Your experience while valid is an outlier of statistical data. I have never heard anyone else comment as negative as you about GM's 6.0L/6-spd combo. That makes me believe you can change something to improve your experience or you can change your expectations. I would first recommend using the transmission's tow/haul mode and M5 or M4 depending on terrain and target speed. For naturally aspirated small block engines, you should keep the engine above 2500rpm when cruising and 3000-5000rpm for accelerating and hill climbing. The 6.0L will do that comfortably for 300k miles.

I tow my 6500-7000 pound TT with the same 3/4 ton Suburban at 65-75mph in 5th and 4th gears (sometimes 3rd for hills) for both in state weekend camping as well as a couple 2200 mile trips through Application Mountains. I do this with 3 rows of comfort and sleeping family. We used our Suburban as a daily driver and main family vehicle for 100k miles. We get 13mpg in mixed commuting in the summer and 12mpg winter.

I expect Ford's 6.2L to be negligibly different in all aspects. Peak torque and HP are at similar engine speeds. Transmission gearing is almost identical so you'll be in 4th ad 5th gears towing anything high walled.

No reason to exclude one over the other. Both are very capable and reliable for 200k+ miles. I would get the 4.x axle ratio for either. Test drive both and pick the one your wife likes better.

Hybridhunter wrote:

Ralph Cramden wrote:

Mortimer Brewster wrote:
A couple more things to think about - IMO Chevy seats are more comfortable than Ford’s. Ford has a better camera system.

That may be your opinion but having owned both of recent vintage to me it's more of a fact, unless the GM is the bottom LS trim level, and then you get totally different cheap seats that are like sitting on milk crates.

The GM also rides and handles night and day better than the Ford, either empty or loaded.

I don't see where one camera system really outshines the other unless if Ford has done something different after the 16 model year?

Rides yes, handles, um no. The F250 is a lot more composed when loaded, a bit more traditional in it's "trickiness". The Ford has the all around camera, with Trailer Backup assist. I've never even set it up, but it's there.

Traditional trickiness? I was wondering what that was when I take one of our F250 plant trucks to pickup rebar at our supplier, and hit the subtle nuances caused by heavy truck traffic on I 70 and it bucks me half a lane over. Traditional trickiness. I have to agree though when loaded the traditional trickiness is much less pronounced, but still a little tricky although in a traditional way.