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- larry_barnhartExplorerNot wanting to keep this story going but some rv's including MH's have weight rating for cargo. In little print you can see if you add the awning it weight this much. Same for thermal windows etc. Little print is the key I think for nobody seeing the real numbers.
chevman - BenKExplorerThey are NOT liars...directly that is...there are laws and the one with
the big teeth (fines, recalls, jail time) is "Truth in Advertising"
I do demand and expect truth, but also understand how marketing works.
As well as engineer and design product teams. Guess what? Lawyers
are inter-mixed throughout those processes...as well as "Bean Counter
Management" who only manage the bottom line...no longer does management
(generally) manage their 'product'...
Been saying that 'curb' is the 'stripper' for years and years...along
with that also said it's in the fine print, of which is where they
"told you so"...
Also, the definition of 'curb' is in a fuzzy area. Argued with one
guy here who thought is has to be a model offered for sale. He could
NOT get it, that it was a custom model NEVER offered for sale
Took a few years to finally get folks to understand that they used a
150 lb driver and is from the insurance actuary tables for the 'normal' man...
Bottom line....it is 'us' who allows this, as it works so well
How many times do you read here and other portals of someone who
expout their ratings numbers in an absolute term...or that they
bought the 'King of the Hill' XYZ truck/SUV because they believe the
marketing verbiage
Demographics studies are spot on and that is these targeted marketing
spiels...on target...which are the bulls eye's on those folks back sides
On testing and certifications (they are different). VERY expensive and
more so for the smaller OEMs...but...that will then go into having to
explain how it is done...it's not just load up 'one' vehicle and run
down to the track with some sensors. :R - NC_HaulerExplorer
larry barnhart wrote:
If anybody is happy with their truck why do all of the stories above matter.
I call it whining. Have a good Labor day everybody. Have fun and don't think about trucks.
chevman
Agree with you 100% Larry, if one is happy with their truck, all the negatives one may read about them, all the "dig's" and "slam's" that are posted about ALL of the Big Three's trucks doesn't mean squat. It's your truck, if it's a good truck and does all you need or want it to do with little to no trouble.....doesn't matter what anyone writes or say's about it....sure isn't going to make any difference in what I'm going to buy, I'll go by my own experiences thus far.
oh,I too Hope all of you have a Great Labor Day weekend:) I'll be thinking about what football games to watch, when best time to go swimming and what lures to use while fishing:)
Jim - 8ironExplorer
ib516 wrote:
8iron wrote:
At the end of the day, I fail to see how any of this actually affects the trucks that you and I drive? It's all a marketing game of one-upsmanship (with fine print) isn't it?
So you just accept lying and cheating as normal and expected? I expect honesty.
I really hate to break this to those here that assumed absolute honesty from advertising and marketing but....brochure payload is was never attainable in all but a very, very few trucks on the local lot. Axe body spray will not have young ladies clamouring after you, eating at Subway will not make you lose 300# like Jared did, Campbell's soup is not part of an NFL players game routine. I could go on forever but hopefully those that assumed the auto industry was different know not to believe everything they see or read. - ib516Explorer III call it callling out liars cheaters and deceivers. To each their own.
Funny, not a single post from travelnutz in this GM thread.....he always seems to find a way to post in the RAM threads....:h - larry_barnhartExplorerIf anybody is happy with their truck why do all of the stories above matter.
I call it whining. Have a good Labor day everybody. Have fun and don't think about trucks.
chevman - ib516Explorer II
NC Hauler wrote:
BenK wrote:
They all have been doing that for decades...
'Curb' is the 'stripper'...been saying that for years and years and years...
Another thread on this topic:
Door sticker says never exceed 1263 lbs of cargo/passengers
Thought I read, though not sure, that Dodge/Ram HADN'T been removing bumpers, spare tires, etc to up the payload numbers.....
Correct. They were honest about their payload numbers - along with Nissan and Toyota. Its in the link above. - ib516Explorer II
8iron wrote:
At the end of the day, I fail to see how any of this actually affects the trucks that you and I drive? It's all a marketing game of one-upsmanship (with fine print) isn't it?
So you just accept lying and cheating as normal and expected? I expect honesty. - 8ironExplorer
IdaD wrote:
8iron wrote:
At the end of the day, I fail to see how any of this actually affects the trucks that you and I drive? It's all a marketing game of one-upsmanship (with fine print) isn't it?
It's dishonest and intentionally misleads consumers. When I'm comparing sales brochures and comparing models and manufacturers, should I really have to read the fine print to know when I need to add back the weight of a rear bumper or center console? For that matter, did Ford or GM ever even include such disclaimers in their brochures and/or advertisements?
I wasn't condoning it but simply asking how this affects the truck your driving. If a person bought a truck because Mike Rowe, Howie Long or Sam Elliot said it has the "best in class" whatever without checking facts, figures or ratings of the vehicle they test drove then that person shouldn't really be using a truck to tow/haul anything. Caveat emptor - ThunderboltExplorerBack in the 80's a rear bumper was an option that you paid extra for. Many people would buy one without a bumper so they can install custom parts.
Lessmore wrote:
Ford and GM both seem guilty as charged. As BenK says , the stripper model truck has been used for years to maximize cargo capacity/trailer towing capacity.
But removing bumpers, etc....hmmmnn.
I guess that's why it's always wise to not tow and /or load, at maximum rated capacity.
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