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spoon059 wrote:
ib516 wrote:
So you guys would be ok with your truck makers saying your truck makes 350hp when it actually only makes 325hp because you can check it yourself on a dyno, and oh well - they lied...it is buyer beware. ???? I wouldn't. I expect some integrity from a company I give my hard $50k earned money to.
The difference is that each and every one of these vehicles has a yellow sticker that tells you the EXACT payload capacity of the vehicle. They aren't cheating you, they aren't lying to you. Every sales brochure I've looked at for a truck had a huge asterick that lead you to a disclaimer that payload and weights are dependent upon features.
By the way, I believe most vehicle manufacturers tell you the engine output horsepower, not the rear wheel horsepower. If you don't know, its called drivetrain power loss. Hate to break it to you, but you aren't getting all 410 HP of that 6.4 at the rear wheel...
At least one person has actually looked at their yellow sticker. There are more "corrections" to rated horsepower than there are to yellow sticker numbers.spoon059 wrote:
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The difference is that each and every one of these vehicles has a yellow sticker that tells you the EXACT payload capacity of the vehicle. They aren't cheating you, they aren't lying to you. Every sales brochure I've looked at for a truck had a huge asterick that lead you to a disclaimer that payload and weights are dependent upon features.
By the way, I believe most vehicle manufacturers tell you the engine output horsepower, not the rear wheel horsepower. If you don't know, its called drivetrain power loss. Hate to break it to you, but you aren't getting all 410 HP of that 6.4 at the rear wheel...
Yup...and says to me, that most folks don't know HOW2 read nor
comprehend a contract...of which all documentation from anything
with them are...contracts between the buyer and OEM
Be it a vehicle, toaster oven, hair dryer, radio, house, vacation
weekend retreat, etc...even the parking lot tag...or your ticket
to a ball game...anyone ever read the back side?
PS...the courts have ruled that you don't have to read it and that
the OEM/seller has done their duty to 'inform' you..whether you read
it or not...their liability requirements are pretty much done.
Pretty much...that goes to their documentation during certification
testing, or whatever regulatory agency spec they designed to and certified
to meet...- Banks Cummins 222mph on the salt flats in a Dakota. Worlds fastest pickup at the time.
- I believe it was Gale Banks doing the tractor engine story. Not that bad of story in opinion.
chevman - "Why would Ford spend resources and $$$ to certify a truck that will be replaced next year"
Same reason they have the same platform since 1999. The die hard Ford fans don't care so why do anything but one up your competition on paper if you can get away with it. And they have!
As far as the Tractor Engine comment, Ford has thought so much of it and the Allison Transmission they have been and will exclusively offer them thru the 2015 model year.
They have finally decided that giving the Tractor engine such advertising did not help their troubled PowerStroke line.;) - You're not breaking anything to me, I am aware of drivetrain loss. The difference there is no one is lying to make that happen - its physics.
ib516 wrote:
So you guys would be ok with your truck makers saying your truck makes 350hp when it actually only makes 325hp because you can check it yourself on a dyno, and oh well - they lied...it is buyer beware. ???? I wouldn't. I expect some integrity from a company I give my hard $50k earned money to.
The difference is that each and every one of these vehicles has a yellow sticker that tells you the EXACT payload capacity of the vehicle. They aren't cheating you, they aren't lying to you. Every sales brochure I've looked at for a truck had a huge asterick that lead you to a disclaimer that payload and weights are dependent upon features.
By the way, I believe most vehicle manufacturers tell you the engine output horsepower, not the rear wheel horsepower. If you don't know, its called drivetrain power loss. Hate to break it to you, but you aren't getting all 410 HP of that 6.4 at the rear wheel...- But wait here, the tests were for the 2015 Fords and GMC's, correct? The Ram was a 2014. Not to pull hairs here, but it use to be the new year vehicle debut was about the time fair's started, about September when I grew up.
Today is August 29th and GM and Ford have their new models out already, go figure.
Yep Ram is last in roll out date, no if, and's and butts. I guess that's what we call a dead last in Texas :B Cummins12V98 wrote:
"It doesn't make sense for Ford to be compliant with their outgoing platform"
Way to candy coat it!
Even the guys doing the testing called the Ford "Outdated"
Candy Coat...LOL :B
Why would Ford spend resources and $$$ to certify a truck that will be replaced next year.
BTW... When I was truck shopping in '12 the Super Duty had a much better ride and power was way more impressive than the RAM.
Perhaps the "tractor engine" is more appropriate for "outdated", per Gale Banks. :W- "It doesn't make sense for Ford to be compliant with their outgoing platform"
Way to candy coat it!
Even the guys doing the testing called the Ford "Outdated"
