GM, Ford Fudging Payload Ratings

PS...might help to re-read the first post on this thread...confirmation of my point

Just that they now admit it...where as in the old days...they actually did
have that 'stripper' for sale...

Why can't you understand that, that stripper model used to derive
their ratings is

NOT ORDERABLE

Like the proverbial 150 lb driver...

Your point is based on an orderable vehicle, which is NOT the curb
vehicle

You are not alone, as many advisers continually reference the door
label for cargo/payload is based on the orderable vehicle. NOPE it
is the 'curb', which is the stripper model

Easy enough to prove, but you'll have to go out and weigh your own
vehicle. Then find the published 'curb'. Unless you own the stripper
model...ask how many of the non-stripper options would you have to
unbolt and remove to get your own vehicle down to the published 'curb' ?

Fast Mopar wrote:

BenK wrote:
Back then, you could order that 'curb' and it did NOT have a spare,
nor rear bumper, nor AC, nor automatic, nor power windows, nor power
seats, nor power locks, no radio, no carpet (yes, bare sheetmetal floor
pan, nor insulation, nor nice seats, ETC, ETC...nothing but the
bare vehicle...AKA...stripper

Today, that 'curb' model, in most cases, is NOT offered for sale. As
most today check off just about ever options box there is.

Ben, even work trucks today have vinyl floors, not bare metal. There is no 3 speed stick on the column any more. All trucks have headliners. Automatic transmission and I think AC is now standard on all full size trucks (except for the 6 speed manual in the lower output Ram Cummins). If you walked into the Chevy dealer today and said you wanted to special order a Silverado with a 3 speed stick on the column, bare steel floors, and no AC, they would tell you it is impossible to even order one that way because that selection does not exist. Your example was true in the 60's and 70's and even into the 80's, but it is not true in 2014.

gmcsmoke wrote:

Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:
On the Ram Web site you can pick the trim level and it will give you the payload and tow rating WITH all options not the "stripper" model as some are saying. Why doesn't Ford and GM do the same.
? Why....because they would have to tell the truth and that's not going to happen.

Don

GM does this

I don't think so, I have been all over their web-site and the only thing they offer is a "trailing guide" it does list all the cab configs is the Sierra and Sierra Denali but it does not give you the option to choose the options. The Ram site lets you choose "standard options" or "premium options".

LINK

Don

BenK wrote:
Back then, you could order that 'curb' and it did NOT have a spare,
nor rear bumper, nor AC, nor automatic, nor power windows, nor power
seats, nor power locks, no radio, no carpet (yes, bare sheetmetal floor
pan, nor insulation, nor nice seats, ETC, ETC...nothing but the
bare vehicle...AKA...stripper

Today, that 'curb' model, in most cases, is NOT offered for sale. As
most today check off just about ever options box there is.

Ben, even work trucks today have vinyl floors, not bare metal. There is no 3 speed stick on the column any more. All trucks have headliners. Automatic transmission and I think AC is now standard on all full size trucks (except for the 6 speed manual in the lower output Ram Cummins). If you walked into the Chevy dealer today and said you wanted to special order a Silverado with a 3 speed stick on the column, bare steel floors, and no AC, they would tell you it is impossible to even order one that way because that selection does not exist. Your example was true in the 60's and 70's and even into the 80's, but it is not true in 2014.

Vast majority either don't remember or don't believe that fact

Fact is that way back in the day Uncle Bill taught me that the 'curb'
was the stripper model and why he ordered only the base model for his
customer kitchen SS sheetmetal shop trucks

Back then, you could order that 'curb' and it did NOT have a spare,
nor rear bumper, nor AC, nor automatic, nor power windows, nor power
seats, nor power locks, no radio, no carpet (yes, bare sheetmetal floor
pan, nor insulation, nor nice seats, ETC, ETC...nothing but the
bare vehicle...AKA...stripper

Today, that 'curb' model, in most cases, is NOT offered for sale. As
most today check off just about ever options box there is.

Yes, foreign does a better job, but that was also in the old days...but
today...they have to more competitive...as US badges has come up in
quality levels.

Disliked helping Uncle Bill install kitchens out in the Calif Central
Valley...HOT with no AC...rough roads and those El Cheapo seats and
the NOISE from no carpeting, etc. Even the door panels were El Cheapo
fiber board with a very, very thin vinyl layer. The sun visors were
perforated fiber board. Even the ceiling was covered with a very thin
cloth

PS...El Cheapo wheel hub caps about 6" in dia...just large enough
to cover the lug nuts

Fast Mopar wrote:

BenK wrote:
Again...been saying the 'curb' is the 'stripper' for years and years...

Ben, with all due respect, this revelation from Ford and GM does not prove your point. There is a big difference between using a base model truck with no options and actually removing parts from the base model truck. In a recent thread, someone asked about a Nissan Armada payload, and you said the payload was calculated on a "stripper" Armada without power windows, power locks, etc. That is simply not correct, because Armadas all have power windows and power locks. The "stripper" model Armada has all of those things. Now, if we eventually discover that Nissan is removing the power window motors and power lock actuators just like GM is removing rear bumpers, then your point would be correct.

Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:
On the Ram Web site you can pick the trim level and it will give you the payload and tow rating WITH all options not the "stripper" model as some are saying. Why doesn't Ford and GM do the same.
? Why....because they would have to tell the truth and that's not going to happen.

Don

Really wish Ford did this.
They do have a listing of all option weights and a spreadsheet that the salesman can use to calculate payloads. Think it's floating around the internet somewhere.
But still, RAM's site is much better.

Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:
On the Ram Web site you can pick the trim level and it will give you the payload and tow rating WITH all options not the "stripper" model as some are saying. Why doesn't Ford and GM do the same.
? Why....because they would have to tell the truth and that's not going to happen.

Don

GM does this

emaav wrote:
My idea has been to always buy more than you will need that way you will (should) have enough..not easy I know...

Exactly. Then a guy can take that extra box of Kleenex:)

Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:
On the Ram Web site you can pick the trim level and it will give you the payload and tow rating WITH all options not the "stripper" model as some are saying. Why doesn't Ford and GM do the same.
? Why....because they would have to tell the truth and that's not going to happen.

Don

Don the truth is not important anymore so "what difference does it make"


chevman

On the Ram Web site you can pick the trim level and it will give you the payload and tow rating WITH all options not the "stripper" model as some are saying. Why doesn't Ford and GM do the same.
? Why....because they would have to tell the truth and that's not going to happen.

Don