GM trucks close gap on ford, almost double ram !!

I would love that 5.0 Cummins as an option in the HD Ram's.

The Ram Eco-Diesel may not pull the RV haulers away from GM and Ford 1500 buyers. But it sure will take some of their none RVer sales. If you are only looking to pick up the odd items at the lumber yard or tow a small RV, then the reported 19 MPG towing 7000# can't be beat!

If the 5.0 Cummins used in the late 2015? Nissan and Toyota is only going in a 1500 or 1/2 ton truck that will be a waste. My bet is, they are getting into the 2500 market. If true, then ALL of the big three had better pull their collective heads out of their butt's and start making a diesel that gets better mileage then the currant crop they are selling now!

Don

Bionic Man wrote:

parkersdad wrote:

larry barnhart wrote:
Will the V-8 cummins on a foreign truck hurt ram sales? Everybody knows a V-8 diesel can't do the job but a V-6 diesel can. Just being silly so don't get any feelings hurt.

chevman

No feelings hurt but the Cummins motor is an inLine 6 not a V-6 there is a big difference. Also it is larger than most of the V8's as it is 408 cubic inches.

Pretty sure he is referring to the Cummins 5.0 V8 that Toyota and Nissan have announced is going into their trucks.

somebody is being the times to not understand the cummins V-8 story or maybe the V-6 diesel in the little dodge pickup.

Chevman :@

spoon059 wrote:

CKNSLS wrote:
RAM-hasn't released this information. When you have one brand seeing record increases and one brand going "sideways" in sales it's not hard to see. You have heard that GM ordered a emergency redesign in their new Chevrolet trucks-haven't you? They see the same thing I am saying and I have read where Chevy dealers are telling them they have lost sales to RAM.

In the mean time believe what you want while you watch RAM sales go through the roof.

BTW-this is coming from a Silverado owner.

Nah uh... as everyone tells me, GM loyal buyers won't buy anything else. There market share would disappear. This is why the world would collapse if GM was allowed to go into bankruptcy originally. Based upon that (sarcasm font) FACT (/sarcasm font), there is no way that Ram could pick up conquest sales/market share from GM...

You can google about how poor the launch of the 2014s were. Also, while unsubstantiated, rumors are flying there is a "refresh" of the 2014s pending due to less than stellar sales. Chevrolet will sell some pickups to GM buyers. They WILL NOT sell Silverados to any conquest buyers, because while they are better than the previous models-there is nothing ground breaking about them...nothing.

So - where are the RAM sales coming from? In your view?

CKNSLS wrote:
RAM-hasn't released this information. When you have one brand seeing record increases and one brand going "sideways" in sales it's not hard to see. You have heard that GM ordered a emergency redesign in their new Chevrolet trucks-haven't you? They see the same thing I am saying and I have read where Chevy dealers are telling them they have lost sales to RAM.

In the mean time believe what you want while you watch RAM sales go through the roof.

BTW-this is coming from a Silverado owner.

Nah uh... as everyone tells me, GM loyal buyers won't buy anything else. There market share would disappear. This is why the world would collapse if GM was allowed to go into bankruptcy originally. Based upon that (sarcasm font) FACT (/sarcasm font), there is no way that Ram could pick up conquest sales/market share from GM...

Dadoffourgirls wrote:

CKNSLS wrote:

BB_TX wrote:
Actually if you check the numbers you will find that GM (Chevy/GMC) have a combined year to date sales gain of 1.68%
Ford has a year to date gain of 1.9%.
Ram has a year to date gain of 21.4%.

Year to date
Ford - 305,265
GM twins - 274,945
Ram - 170,711

May sales
Ford - 68,520
GM twins - 64,074
Ram - 37,131

Ford has still outgained the GM twins slightly for the year. Chevy has a net loss of sales for the year to date and is only boosted by the GMC. Ram is soaring and gaining rapidly on both.

For the month of May the GM numbers look good. But not yet the "top seller".

RAM is getting "conquest sales" with growth numbers like that. At the expense of mostly GM.

Can you please quote your source of "conquest sales" and methodology to calculate? Was it that there previous new truck was GM? Was it that there previous new vehicle was GM? Was it if they owned a GM truck (purchased used)?

Until you provide your source, I will just believe that this is CKNSLS internet babble!

RAM-hasn't released this information. When you have one brand seeing record increases and one brand going "sideways" in sales it's not hard to see. You have heard that GM ordered a emergency redesign in their new Chevrolet trucks-haven't you? They see the same thing I am saying and I have read where Chevy dealers are telling them they have lost sales to RAM.

In the mean time believe what you want while you watch RAM sales go through the roof.

BTW-this is coming from a Silverado owner.

parkersdad wrote:

larry barnhart wrote:
Will the V-8 cummins on a foreign truck hurt ram sales? Everybody knows a V-8 diesel can't do the job but a V-6 diesel can. Just being silly so don't get any feelings hurt.

chevman

No feelings hurt but the Cummins motor is an inLine 6 not a V-6 there is a big difference. Also it is larger than most of the V8's as it is 408 cubic inches.

Pretty sure he is referring to the Cummins 5.0 V8 that Toyota and Nissan have announced is going into their trucks.

Ford is preparing for a production loss of 90,000 units due to the extensive change over for the 2015 models. Since Ford knows that they cannot make enough trucks to meet demand they are cutting back on incentives and intentionally forfeitting some sales.
http://wallstcheatsheet.com/automobiles/ford-is-ready-to-forfeit-90k-f-150-pickups-for-factory-retooling-effort.html/?ref=YF

GM went through the same thing last year. This makes it easier for them to increase relative production this year and they have a lot of inventory to work with. Also, GM was so embarrassed when Ram outsold them a few months ago that they have ramped up incentives.

What GM needs to be worried about is that sales of their brand new truck are barely keeping up with the market selling against an about to be discontinued truck, even with very high incentives. It is going to get very interesting when Ford gets their new truck in full production. Of course, it could just mean that Ford sells theirs for sticker price while Chevy puts even more cash on the hood. I expect Ram to continue market gains but at a slower pace unless they can keep bringing out innovations like the Eco-diesel and air suspension.

spoon059 wrote:

Terryallan wrote:
Another thing to consider. When you sell half again more trucks that anyone else. You have to really up your sales to gain a percentage point. However. When you sell less than half of what the leader sells. You only have to sell a few more than last year to gain percentage points.

In other words. The less your volume is. The easier it is to gain.

But the Tundra is coming on strong baby!!! ;)

Well, of course it is ... it is a brand new design, and I bet there are plenty of Tundra owners out there who have been waiting 7 years for the new truck. The inverse is true w/ the F150 -- the new one is coming out later this year, and I'm sure there are lots of potential buyers holding off to see the new one and/or get a steal on a '14 once the '15's hit the lot.

What is actually surprising to me about these numbers is the fact that GM didn't get much of a boost out of the '14 redesign.

Funny that Chevy keeps saying it is number ONE. But where we are parked,first 7 trucks are Ford, then a Toyota, a couple of more Fords, a Chevy, three more Fords, a Dodge Ram, two more Fords...pretty much shows the preference for trucks.

Ken