good deal or not?

Anyone that believes the invoice price IS what the dealer pays needs to use a service or friend to make their major purchases. It is a reliable number to use for negotiations or to get an idea how good an offer you are dealing with.

B.O. Plenty wrote:
I had a Ram diesel..... The only thing I see wrong with this deal is you have to buy another Ram to get the deal. What kind of trade-in are they offering? Surely you aren't going to get what you paid for your 13...It all depends on how you have to pay for the difference. Even if you successfully invoke the lemon Law you won't get all your money back..

B.O.

The invoice is just a piece of paper and while it is "real" it is not necessarily what the dealer paid for the vehicle. There are many types of MFG givebacks, commissions, back end of financing, Flooring and on and on deals that lower the cost to the dealer from the invoice.

Dealers now want the public to think the invoice is some magical price point indicator of a good deal...it is not.

You can count on it if the dealer is suggesting the price...it is way in his favor.

Get the build list and find out what this truck has actually sold for in your area and others. Look at all of the price sites online. Look online for what the dealer actually pays for this truck but take it with a grain of salt...Make YOUR offer and be prepared to walk away.

There are too many dealers with the same trucks at vastly different prices. ie. Trucks in ND are 10,000$ more than the exact same one in Nebraska or Iowa. Some dealers there are advertising here for buyers and they will deliver your truci to your door! If one dealer wont meet your price another likely will. End of the quarter is a great time to look.

I had a Ram diesel..... The only thing I see wrong with this deal is you have to buy another Ram to get the deal. What kind of trade-in are they offering? Surely you aren't going to get what you paid for your 13...It all depends on how you have to pay for the difference. Even if you successfully invoke the lemon Law you won't get all your money back..

B.O.

A local Ford dealership runs ads on the radio all the time about below invoice pricing...during the legal fast foward statement at the end it says "Invoice does not reflect actual dealer price"

Thanks

Jeremiah

IF it,s a deal you like ? then do it,get rid of the headache. some times loosing a few bucks is better than a constant problem in the drive way.

C130 wrote:
The Lemon Law can be a major pain in the butt, I know from experience. Basically, your vehicle can be in the shop 50 times in a year but if it was in for different items you're screwed. It has to be the same repeated problem. We had a brand new Ford Expedition and my entire family has never owned any vehicle besides Ford since they literally started making them. The Expedition was at the dealer constantly the first year, new transmission at 2000 miles then it only got worse. My problem was it was always a different problem. I was told Ford did their job and fixed each problem and though there was no doubt it had been a terrible vehicle the Lemon law did not apply. I swore I'd never, ever buy another Ford. It took about 12 years then I bought my F250.

Hope it works out but get some good advice before going the Lemon law route, it can be a major pain in the butt. After I lost, I drove it straight to the Mercedes dealership and lost my butt when I traded it in. I was pissed but thrilled to get rid of it. There was no way I could personally sell it to another person. I literally lost thousands of dollars but the stress and being constantly pissed off was just not worth it any more. Sometimes you just have to move on.

Every state is different with the Lemon Law. Our 2014 Jeep Cherokee was so bad the local regional manager ok'd the Lemon Law with no argument. My state also has strong consumer Lemon Law protection. I think Michigan has poor protection for the consumer.

Going the Lemon Law we received all money ever paid towards the vehicle minus a mileage penalty. I found the amount owed for mileage to be acceptable. Trading in the vehicle would have been at a significant loss. We were way ahead with the Lemon Law.

To the OP, recommend calling Dave Smith in Idaho for normal every day pricing. If the manufacturer price is well below them you might be onto something.

The Lemon Law can be a major pain in the butt, I know from experience. Basically, your vehicle can be in the shop 50 times in a year but if it was in for different items you're screwed. It has to be the same repeated problem. We had a brand new Ford Expedition and my entire family has never owned any vehicle besides Ford since they literally started making them. The Expedition was at the dealer constantly the first year, new transmission at 2000 miles then it only got worse. My problem was it was always a different problem. I was told Ford did their job and fixed each problem and though there was no doubt it had been a terrible vehicle the Lemon law did not apply. I swore I'd never, ever buy another Ford. It took about 12 years then I bought my F250.

Hope it works out but get some good advice before going the Lemon law route, it can be a major pain in the butt. After I lost, I drove it straight to the Mercedes dealership and lost my butt when I traded it in. I was pissed but thrilled to get rid of it. There was no way I could personally sell it to another person. I literally lost thousands of dollars but the stress and being constantly pissed off was just not worth it any more. Sometimes you just have to move on.

45Ricochet wrote:

Big Ray wrote:
I would get all rebates plus 5% below invoice not sticker price. They are offering this because I been having a few issues. This offer is from Ram not the dealer.

What's not to like about getting a 2 year newer truck for 5% below what they built it for? Sounds like they are trying to work with you to me.
How much is your trade in price from them? Is it close to what you paid for your 2013?
Sounds like you pretty much got to drive around in the 2013 for 2 years for free, other than the problems it might have had.

They are working with me and I'm very happy about that. I'm just not sure about the deal or should I just go for the lemon law. I'm not downing Ram because I know anyone can make a vehicle with issues.

Big Ray wrote:
I would get all rebates plus 5% below invoice not sticker price. They are offering this because I been having a few issues. This offer is from Ram not the dealer.

What's not to like about getting a 2 year newer truck for 5% below what they built it for? Sounds like they are trying to work with you to me.
How much is your trade in price from them? Is it close to what you paid for your 2013?
Sounds like you pretty much got to drive around in the 2013 for 2 years for free, other than the problems it might have had.

Big Ray wrote:
I would get all rebates plus 5% below invoice not sticker price. They are offering this because I been having a few issues. This offer is from Ram not the dealer.

If you are having issues and that is Rams resolution just make sure you are no worse off after the deal. There are a few on here that have done buybacks and other deals when they had issues. Maybe they can give some advice via PM. Airing out your reasons here will most likely just derail this thread in short time.