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sabconsulting's avatar
Jun 11, 2016

Guess the truck camper needs a new battery :-(

The current single battery has been in the camper 4 years, but it is what is termed a "leisure battery". I think this is a cop out - a basic car battery but a bit more tolerant of deeper discharge - I guess a cheapo option for those with a VW combi camper who ran small stuff off their starting battery.

But this week in Norway we have been boondocking. And the weather has been warm, so the 140 litre compressor fridge has been busy.

The 160w of solar panels, MPPT controller and DC to DC charger from the truck alternator have kept the battery fully charged, but a couple of nights the battery has been full early evening, but by the morning I can hear the fridge cycling as it tries to start the compressor, then trips out due to low battery voltage. I checked it with a volt meter on the battery and it was showing 12.7v with the fan running, then when the compressor tried to start (pulling 6 to 7 amps) it pulled the voltage down to at or just below 12v. Note that is the voltage read at the battery, not at the fridge, so isn't just due to some voltage drop across the cable powering the fridge - the fridge is pulling the battery voltage down substantially after one night.

So I guess that means my 4 year old battery is past its best now. It is only about 85 AH too.

I'll probably see if I can fit a couple of AGM batteries on their sides into the space of the current wet cell battery. I bought an Odyssey AGM battery for the Jeep recently, so will measure it when I get back from Norway to see if a couple will fit.

All the best from the car park of an abandoned winter activity centre in the middle of Norway where we are sneakily boondocking tonight.

Steve

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  • Time to get back to this.

    I camped over the weekend at our 4x4 site. Bright sunshine into early evening, then ran the generator for a coupe of hours, by about 4am the compressor fridge was cycling indicating the battery voltage had dropped too low for it.

    I re-measured the tiny battery compartment - buried at the front of the camper under the seat and next to the water tank. Various fittings for the water tank and electrical cables mean that I can get a group 24 battery in regularly oriented, or a group 27 mounted upright.

    I don't boondock that often, but I would like to be able to do it more for a night or two at a time.

    My old battery was a group 24 80Ah "leisure battery" - i.e. little more than a cheap starting battery. I don't know how many cycles it could stand to 50% depth of discharge, but I suspect it would be in the tens. And 50% of 80Ah is of course only 40Ah. My compressor fridge draws 6 amps, so over 12 hours at 50% duty cycle that is 36Ah. So each night without hookup and I was pretty much dropping the battery to 50% DoD! So clearly I needs more available Ah. That could be a bigger battery if one could fit, or a battery that can be discharged further. Or both.

    A data sheet on Lifeline AGM batteries shows the ability to be discharged by 80% 500 times. If that is realistic then it is maybe an answer to my problems - that would effectively give 80Ah out of an 100Ah for more boondocking nights than I am ever going to need it over 5 years. I.e. most of the time I would be discharging the battery maybe 10%, but occasionally I could go down to 80%.

    There are many cheap AGM batteries these days, but I guess not all are equals.

    I've seen adverts for batteries nearly a third of the price of the above Lifeline AGM, but that states a measly 180 discharges to 50% DoD.

    So it sounds like Lifeline AGMs are good.

    What other brands do people recommend I look at? Specifically ones known to be proper deep cycle - able to withstand hundreds of discharges to 80% DoD.

    Or is that an unrealistic expectation and maybe I have failed to read something in the Lifeline small print.

    Actually, here is another brand of battery whose specification sheet indicates > 500 cycles at 80% DoD:

    Rolls AGM battery

    I live in England, hence the above is a UK distributor and the price is in £ not $.

    On another note, I realised the cheap Chinese volt / ammeter I installed was reading high. I have ordered a Victron 700 battery meter so I can more accurately monitor my replacement battery.

    Steve.
  • ....I could be a bit off, but I recall when I was looking at AGMs to replace flood cell lead-acid, almost every AGM manufacturer I looked at had a different casing size (length and/or width and/or height). So, for the most part, I had to shop dimensions, given our limited battery compartment space.
  • It's been a good run with what you had.
    Trojan AGM
    Get the biggest single or double that will fit your space.
    AGMs have the glass matting and no sloshing fluid making them more suitable for rough duty.
  • wnjj's avatar
    wnjj
    Explorer II
    tattoobob wrote:
    Can't you use the Refrigerator on Propane?


    "Compressor" means no.
  • I recently replaced mine, but I didn't try to optimize. The standard size batteries were too cheap to wait. I was making it through the night, but replacing gave me more of a buffer to run the furnace and inverter if I wanted.

    This was the second replacement in 10 years, so that's not too bad.