GMnews.com released article that there will be a 2500 burb in 2016 !! details are to come.

I'll believe it when I see one in the showroom. According to the build sheet on my 2008, Chevy built only 5,867 Burb 2500s that year. Compared to probably 50,000-75,000 half-tons. I'm a real car guy - I'm always checking out the cars around me. In the last 12 months, I've probably seen ONE other 3/4-ton GMT900 Burb/Yukon XL in my area. And this is SE Michigan, where 90%+ of folks drive American cars and trucks, and have lots of toys to haul - snowmobiles, ATVs, RVs and boats.

IMHO...that is the biggie in the Marketing ID person decision to kill their 'King of the Hill' SUV Ford's Excursion gave the 8.6K Sub a run, but it didn't make it for longBut, numbers are not the main thing and again IMHO1933 is the first year of the Suburban and has the longest continuous runningmarketing badge in automotive history. It is also the most recognizedbadge in the worldSooner than later...foreign badges *WILL* come out with a +8.6K GVWR full sizedpickup and SUV...to eat Detroit's lunch...again...if Detroit doesn't have thisalready on showroom floors

We love ours and do see 2 other GMT900 3/4 tons running around our area (but never intheburbs). The economy and market for full sized SUVs in late 2000's was poor, so sales were down a lot, like 1/3 the sales compared to early 2000s. 2014 GM had 75% of the full sized SUV market and sold over 200k of them. Hopefullly they recognize the need for highher capability, especially given the 2015 Ecoboost Expy. A future model needs to have power levels of the 6.2L in the Denali/Escalade and most importantly receiver rating of 1400-1500 pounds!Clues suggest the potential 2016 HD Suburban is fleet only and 5.3L only. Hopefully that is proven wrong.I'd love a diesel 3/4 ton Burb. However, a 2015 version half ton with the equipment of my 2011 is already $10k higher than mine. A diesel would be $75k+ and out of my price range for the foreseeable future.

If they would only put the Duramax Allison in it. I second the 1400-1500# receiver.

I think there were some spy shots of the 8-lug Suburban not to long ago.Most likely focused on the fleet - Government needs. When the Secret Service got done armoring the Prius for Obama, it did not do well.

Heard thru grape vine Suburban 2500 in 2016!! | Good Sam Community

8_1_Van
Explorer
Mar 19, 2015
Dadoffourgirls wrote:
I think there were some spy shots of the 8-lug Suburban not to long ago.

Most likely focused on the fleet - Government needs. When the Secret Service got done armoring the Prius for Obama, it did not do well.

No Prius, try 45ft armored bus.
intheburbs
Explorer
Mar 19, 2015
hone eagle wrote:
gmcsmoke wrote:
http://www.cheersandgears.com/_/chevrolet-truck-news/2016-chevrolet-suburban-hd-will-be-34-ton-fleet-only-r2707

Fleet only...........for now.
or buy one from a rental company in a few months.

Fleet = few options and cloth seats

I kinda like my 3LT Burb 2500 - it's like a 3/4-ton Escalade - leather, 4 heated seats, power tailgate, backup camera, DVD/Nav, Bose system, remote start, sunroof, power tumbling middle seats, etc. Fleet vehicles usually don't get options like that.
hone_eagle
Explorer
Mar 19, 2015
gmcsmoke wrote:
http://www.cheersandgears.com/_/chevrolet-truck-news/2016-chevrolet-suburban-hd-will-be-34-ton-fleet-only-r2707

Fleet only...........for now.
or buy one from a rental company in a few months.
hawkeye-08
Explorer III
Mar 19, 2015
I would expect it would need to be a 3500 to pull decent sized trailer and be loaded with people and gear...
gmcsmoke
Explorer
Mar 19, 2015
http://www.cheersandgears.com/_/chevrolet-truck-news/2016-chevrolet-suburban-hd-will-be-34-ton-fleet-only-r2707
BenK
Explorer
Mar 19, 2015
IIRC....

AAM rates my 10.5" axle assembly at 10,000 GAWR...GM rates it 6,000 GAWR

AAM rates the 11.5" axle assembly at 11,000 GAWR...GM rates it 7,000 GAWR

GM's GAWR goes +/- and guess dependent on stuff like braking, etc that GM mounts
on the AAM axle assembly
intheburbs
Explorer
Mar 19, 2015
mich800 wrote:
BurbMan wrote:
Just read where it might be a 3500 Suburban...possibly 9200 or higher GVWR, which would make it a killer SUV!! Would eat into some of the HD crew cab market for sure!

How big of a step up would this be. Was the 2500 sub light. dosen't seem like a 9200 gvwr would leave a lot of payload.

My '08 2500 has a curb weight of 6500, giving it a max payload (according to the door sticker) of 2088 lbs. According to the door sticker, the rear axle (10.5 full floater) is rated to 5500 lbs, and the front axle is rated at 4180. So, in theory, the only thing limiting my GVWR to 8600 is the braking system. 5500+4180 = 9680. Based on axle capacities, it seems there's quite a bit of room to increase GVWR keeping the rest of the components the same.

I believe American Axle rates this rear axle at 8600 lbs, so the tires are the limiting factor in this application. E tires are rated to ~3000 lbs each.

I'm pretty sure Duraburb uses the 9200-gvwr braking system to upgrade payloads on their modded trucks.

Upgrade the brakes and tires, and you could theoretically have a GVWR approacing 10,000 lbs, without much gain in the curb weight. I would buy a 2016 Burb with a 3,000-lb payload and 9500-lb GVWR in a split second. Shut up and take my money.

But again,not holding my breath.
Bedlam
Moderator
Mar 19, 2015
Dadoffourgirls wrote:
I think there were some spy shots of the 8-lug Suburban not to long ago.

Most likely focused on the fleet - Government needs. When the Secret Service got done armoring the Prius for Obama, it did not do well.

Even the current vehicle has some high centering issues:
BenK
Explorer
Mar 19, 2015
Personally think closer to 99.9% are half ton's

Again, "King of the SUV's" will sell

They forget about all that and in cycles. Think cycles of exec's that are NOT
car folks...

Does the Vette/Cobra/etc sell in high volume or are they bragging rights?

Pure marketing and the demographics of 'Best', 'King', '#1', etc...

My Sub scales around 7,200 lbs with me (180), toolbox (+200) and all
of the misc stuff...plus fully optioned SLT (GMC's version of Chevy's LT)
mich800
Explorer
Mar 19, 2015
BurbMan wrote:
How do you figure? My 01 has a GVWR of 8600 and weighs 6700 lbs with full fuel and me in it, so payload is around 2000 lbs. How much heavier would the truck get to increase GVWR to 9200 with the 6.2L gas? Doubt we will ever see DMax/Ally in a burb....

From Wikipedia:
Recent chatter on several GM enthusiast sites has made reference to a "Suburban 3500" (or 1-ton version) coming in 2016, which would be a GM-unique SUV, but so far GM has not confirmed or denied the existence of this program.

I think that was directed at me. I was just pointing out at least with the current 3/4 ton crew cab trucks are heavy. In the 8k range so I assumed a full body would be even heavier. That is if they share some of the heavier components of their truck counterparts.