Hearing rumors GM and Navistar teaming up ?

So GM needs to team up with a company with one foot in the grave to try and build trucks? Is their much of a future here to care about whether it's a good idea or not?!

ksss wrote:
The 6.6 is certainly capable of medium duty. They used them in their medium duty trucks from 03 to 08,and I own a 5500 4x4 CC and pull the to max gvw everyday. The new medium duty trucks will have the newer Duramax in them when they release in 2017, not sure what power rating they will have. Likely derated from the 3500

I would say the engines will be Navistar or Isuzu, which they stated they will be having some Isuzu rebranded trucks To use them as MDT's the 6.6 was putting out 300hp and 500lbs ft of torque, in the TopKick , a lot less than the 3/4 ton specification
What GM is looking for is a F650/F750 competitor, Isuzu with it's Light Trucks to us but (you call them Medium,) will cater for the straight delivery function. Navistar can provide those sort of Trucks, just like it did with Ford.

The 6.6 is certainly capable of medium duty. They used them in their medium duty trucks from 03 to 08,and I own a 5500 4x4 CC and pull the to max gvw everyday. The new medium duty trucks will have the newer Duramax in them when they release in 2017, not sure what power rating they will have. Likely derated from the 3500

Lessmore wrote:
But didn't Ford modify the 6 liter diesel for more power than IH tuned their version for IH ?. Maybe some diesel experts out there can confirm whether IH had the same problems with the 6 liter, as did Ford.

I've wondered about this for quite awhile, wonder if anyone has the answer.

BTW, I would like to see GM get back to larger MDT and HDT vehicles. Partnering with IH Navistar seems like a good way to go.

Still used extensively in our school bus fleet and still nothing but trouble,can you say EGR and DPF.
Over the road truckers also don't like the era of excessive egr , which only recently ended with the ceo getting turfed a couple of years ago, Navi then having to buy engines from cummins and maybe others .

ACZL wrote:
Navistar needs all the help it can get. Plus they just announced a sale of over 1,000 trucks, but won't say who.

Navistar is in a bad way.They primarily only sell in NA. PACCAR in contrast has some exposure in Europe.

Navistar needs all the help it can get. Plus they just announced a sale of over 1,000 trucks, but won't say who.

jus2shy wrote:
I doubt they'll use the engine on the 4/5/6 trucks, they'll probably use the Duramax as I remember seeing it on those class 4/5/6 trucks. Heck, Ford is using their 6.7 on the 4/5/6 trucks in the near future as well. I think GM is just trying to find a company to supply a chassis really quick so they can get into the medium duty market as the economy is really heating up right now. Makes sense, since they probably never invested a single cent into developing a medium duty chassis since 2009. They're covering one set of customers with the Isuzu chassis and another set of customers with the Navistar chassis. Still though, I wonder if the market segment is just too crowded right now.

Isuzu will be using the Isuzu engines. They will be using the Navistar Chassis and engines. Problem with the Duramax, unlike the Ford it was not designed as a proper Medium Duty engine

DETROIT -- General Motors is returning to the medium-duty commercial truck business in the U.S. next year after a seven-year hiatus, a move that GM believes will lead to more sales of pickups, vans and other trucks to fleet buyers.

GM will sell trucks from Isuzu Motors as rebadged Chevrolets, the companies announcedtoday. They include six so-called low-cab forward models: Chevrolet 3500, 3500HD, 4500, 4500HD, 5500 and 5500 HD.

Ed Peper, GM's vice president of fleet and commercial sales, said dealers who do significant fleet business have been asking for years for GM to return to the medium-duty market. Peper said medium-duty customers typically need other trucks for their fleets, from midsize and light-duty pickups to vans and crossovers.

Chevy will sell regular-cab and crew-cab versions of the new trucks, which will offer a GM-sourced 6.0-liter, V-8 gasoline engine or Isuzu's 3.0-liter and 5.2-liter turbodiesel engines, depend

I doubt they'll use the engine on the 4/5/6 trucks, they'll probably use the Duramax as I remember seeing it on those class 4/5/6 trucks. Heck, Ford is using their 6.7 on the 4/5/6 trucks in the near future as well. I think GM is just trying to find a company to supply a chassis really quick so they can get into the medium duty market as the economy is really heating up right now. Makes sense, since they probably never invested a single cent into developing a medium duty chassis since 2009. They're covering one set of customers with the Isuzu chassis and another set of customers with the Navistar chassis. Still though, I wonder if the market segment is just too crowded right now.

#40Fan wrote:
Weird that GM isn't thinking the Duramax isn't up to snuff.

As for the 6.0 having less problems in non-EGR vehicles, I have read about it, but haven't seen the proof.

It was designed as a light duty engine for 3/4 and 1 tons. The new arrangement with Isuzu as regards as what you regards as Medium Trucks, will have Isuzu Heavy Cycle Diesels, rebranded as GMC The Navistar " prong" will have Navistar engines for heavier Trucks rebranded as GMC
Somehow I feel this whole venture will struggle

Weird that GM isn't thinking the Duramax isn't up to snuff.

As for the 6.0 having less problems in non-EGR vehicles, I have read about it, but haven't seen the proof.