Horsepower is horsepower?

bmanning wrote:

Hybridhunter wrote:

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>>>>>>Comparing when they came out, <<<<<<It seems Nissan understands trucks. The Titan was ground breaking, the tundra, not so much.

Huh? The Titan is dated; around 300hp, 5sp Auto, history of problems and issues. The Tundra, though like the Titan introduced several years ago, still competes with today's half-tons with 381hp, a 6sp Auto, and an excellent reliability history.
You're welcome to hate Toyota if you like but I don't think you'll find many who agree with your logic on this one.

That's a laugh. Google 2007 Tundra transmission, camshaft, frame, etc or, read this, old Titan vs new Tundra, hmmm. Hardly a tundra blowout.

Truck comparison

The Titan was the first import "1/2 ton", that was a real, fullsized truck. And it did not garner a rep for a twisty frame, failure prone engine, or failure prone trans within 6 months of launch. (Google it, toyota has since beefed up the trans, and the frame). The tundra did. The tundra also came out with big power, just as the market was swinging to economy. Also groundbreaking, was the president of Toyota apologizing for the flop. And dont get me don't get me started on the "all new", milldly refreshed 2014. Nissan had an under-cooled diff, the fix was a finned cover. Compare the first gen tundra to first gen Titan.....
I owned 2 new Tacomas, and my wife an new Echo and a new corolla in The past 8 years. I don't own a nissan, but I did own a brand new one in 2005. I'm not brand loyal at all.
It's easier to dismiss criticism as bias though I suppose.
Anyhow, back to the topic at hand....
My point was Nissan got pretty close, first try. Toyota was on their second gen and they botched a few biggies. Nissan will no doubt impress with the Diesel they are working on. Until Toyota realizes they have to innovate, and can't live off reputation fumes, their products won't interest me.