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Oct 19, 2013

HTT comfort Size question, and newbie hazing invitation

Hi everyone,

I am looking into getting a HTT, something like a roo 17 or 183 or 19 or other brands equivalent thing. So most of the time it will be just me, the wife, and 2 year old son, but I expect about 1/4 of the time to be taking my mom (mobile daycare :B) also.

I saw a 183 in person and think it is more than adequate. So manly I am asking if you think I could get away without the 3rd bed and smaller. I want something to be comfortable until my kid is at least 10 years old.

I am looking for your input on what would be a good size since I will have no actual camping experience in them. I want something so that we will not be tripping over are self's

This will be my first time towing. So any other input you want to give would be appreciated. Haze away. :)

TV info: I have a 2013 Durango AWD V6, Tow Rating 6,200, Max. Trailer Tongue Wt. 620.

I est. on have 500lb in the SUV so (6,200-500=5,700) 80% tow rule (5,700*.8=4,560) est. no more than 1,000 lb. of stuff in HTT (4,560 -1,000=3560) So I no more than a 3,560 dry weight.

I plan on buying between 1 month from now to 6.
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comfort Size question, and newbie hazing invitation","id":"message:808357","revisionNum":1,"repliesCount":18,"author":{"__ref":"User:user:116680"},"depth":0,"hasGivenKudo":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:808357"},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:808357"},"body":"Hi everyone,

I am looking into getting a HTT, something like a roo 17 or 183 or 19 or other brands equivalent thing. So most of the time it will be just me, the wife, and 2 year old son, but I expect about 1/4 of the time to be taking my mom (mobile daycare :B) also.

I saw a 183 in person and think it is more than adequate. So manly I am asking if you think I could get away without the 3rd bed and smaller. I want something to be comfortable until my kid is at least 10 years old.

I am looking for your input on what would be a good size since I will have no actual camping experience in them. I want something so that we will not be tripping over are self's

This will be my first time towing. So any other input you want to give would be appreciated. Haze away. :)

TV info: I have a 2013 Durango AWD V6, Tow Rating 6,200, Max. Trailer Tongue Wt. 620.

I est. on have 500lb in the SUV so (6,200-500=5,700) 80% tow rule (5,700*.8=4,560) est. no more than 1,000 lb. of stuff in HTT (4,560 -1,000=3560) So I no more than a 3,560 dry weight.

I plan on buying between 1 month from now to 6.","body@stringLength":"1168","rawBody":"Hi everyone,

I am looking into getting a HTT, something like a roo 17 or 183 or 19 or other brands equivalent thing. So most of the time it will be just me, the wife, and 2 year old son, but I expect about 1/4 of the time to be taking my mom (mobile daycare :B) also.

I saw a 183 in person and think it is more than adequate. So manly I am asking if you think I could get away without the 3rd bed and smaller. I want something to be comfortable until my kid is at least 10 years old.

I am looking for your input on what would be a good size since I will have no actual camping experience in them. I want something so that we will not be tripping over are self's

This will be my first time towing. So any other input you want to give would be appreciated. Haze away. :)

TV info: I have a 2013 Durango AWD V6, Tow Rating 6,200, Max. Trailer Tongue Wt. 620.

I est. on have 500lb in the SUV so (6,200-500=5,700) 80% tow rule (5,700*.8=4,560) est. no more than 1,000 lb. of stuff in HTT (4,560 -1,000=3560) So I no more than a 3,560 dry weight.

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I 'fessed up that I was over GCWR. However, I didn't \"break the rules\" lightly or ignorantly. As I said, I was able to load and keep each axle, vehicle and trailer, under GAWR, and I was able to keep the individual GVWR's in check, but I was 700# over on GCWR. That was packing the trailer as if we were tent camping. One small bag of clothes for each person, a folding chair per person, and food. No water in the tanks. I tortured the family for 90 minutes on the scales on opening day of the trip to make sure I was as balanced as can be. She went up and down the Canadian Rockies like a dream; best towing experience I've ever had. I kept engine and oil temps in line and I kept her slow and in-control. (I did install an aftermarket tranny cooler to help mitigate my concerns.) All that said, I'm already eyeballing 3/4 ton vehicle replacement-- too close for comfort and it's not fun sweating the load out. A lesson learned; but, courtesy of this forum, I knew enough to test and double test before I pushed the envelope on the weight ratings.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2013-10-27T22:29:25.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2013-10-27T22:29:25.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":396},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:808357/message:808375","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:356100":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:356100","uid":356100,"login":"PAThwacker","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2009-07-24T08:24:39.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-1.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:356100"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:808374":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:808374","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:808374":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:356100"},"id":"message:808374","revisionNum":1,"uid":808374,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:808357"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:808357"},"subject":"Re: HTT comfort Size question, and newbie hazing invitation","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:808374"},"body":"The canoe and bike or bikes up top are some of the challenges faced in lessor equipped small SUV. 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here is our sub loaded down 4 passengers, black lab, car seats, canoe, and floor to roof packed rear cargo.

this setup weighs 11700lbs combined. If it was a 1500 sub we would have exceeded the payload easily. The 8600gvw k2500 sub cat scale came it at 8000lbs!
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I traded the pup, lost 4k, and grabbed the best darn baby spec unit i could find. Front bed, side bed, rear bunkbeds, 3400lb empty/ 4300lb wet ready to camp/ 5000lb gvw. The baby sleeps on the lower bunk bed, 5 year old gets the side bunk, gear/dirty clothes top bunk, and the side bed doubles as a play yard. Front bed is fine with a 2.5\" memory/gel foam topper. 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There's an old article about towing in the Rockies at high altitude that notes 80% of the Combined Gross Vehicle Weight Rating worked well. This is different -- and much lower -- than 80% of the maximum towing capacity.

You can pull your maximum towing capacity but you won't like it. Trailer weight must be reduced by all weights in the truck itself. The simplest rule is the \"1000 Pound Rule\" which even I can understand. Have 1000 pounds more towing capacity than the trailer weighs (this accounts for cargo and passengers). Conversely limit trailer weight to 1000 pounds less than maximum towing capacity. In your case that's a 5200 pound trailer weight. But... I towed a 5000 pound Roo 23SS with my 5500 pound max rated Explorer for two seasons. Didn't line the feeling of flogging the poor beast and upgraded the truck. The Explorer? Ran another 6 years and 50,000 miles before it was time to trade it.

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Oasisbob wrote:
Mobile day care? Hope your wife does not read this. LOL Anyway our family of six has got along well with HTT listed below. An unexpected thing happened as my boys got older. They preferred to stay in their own tent. Honestly did'nt see that one comming. Yours may be the same. Having more space than needed is always a good thing. Consider friends may want to come along as well. Happy trails


I think he was talking about his mother, not his wife. Did I miss something?","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2013-10-22T03:53:41.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2013-10-22T03:53:41.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":396},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:808357/message:808368","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"User:user:224832":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:224832","uid":224832,"login":"Padlin","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2006-06-15T13:35:48.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-11.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:224832"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:808367":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:808367","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:808367":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:224832"},"id":"message:808367","revisionNum":1,"uid":808367,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:808357"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:808357"},"subject":"Re: HTT comfort Size question, and newbie hazing invitation","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:808367"},"body":"Unfortunately you're in the grey area, no real way to know how the Durango will handle the load. Do you have a brake controller? shouldn't pull a trailer, even a rental without one. There are Durango forums out there, might be a good place to ask about towing a full size trailer with the V6 there.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2013-10-22T03:21:51.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2013-10-22T03:21:51.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":395},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:808357/message:808367","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:808366":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:808366","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:808366":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:116680"},"id":"message:808366","revisionNum":1,"uid":808366,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:808357"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:808357"},"subject":"Re: HTT comfort Size question, and newbie hazing invitation","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:808366"},"body":"I am concerned about wind drag being too much but I a cautious driver. If I only going 50 downhill that is fine with me. I am more concerned about having enough power to get up a good grade. I thought of renting something and taking it on progressively steeper grades to see how the SUV douse.

I am starting to lean towards an 18' to 19' model just to make sure I have enough power. I have thought of the Hybrid R-Pod but I would only have 2 inches of legroom.

I don't think I would miss a couch. I been tent camping a lot and never thought to myself I wish I had a couch right now. 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