unfortunately our children are too young to safely sleep in a tent alone. we do have a large tent and a couple small ones from our tenting days but we are older and beyond tenting as a family
I didn't say all 8 bikes had to go on a rack on the back-just saying we need to take 8. happy to put some inside, some on the back, roof top even (but guessing we won't need that)
also looked at 2007? Starcraft Travel Star 21sd 'toy hauler' type hybrid-this would allow us to put bikes and other 'stuff' out there too.
I am feeling very discouraged by these responses to be honest. we were excited to get back into camping after 4ish years 'off' but very little encouragement and suggestions here. we know it isn't going to be 'comfy' but were not looking for retirement 'camping' but we also pack-up and travel to a different spot each night often not staying in one place long so tents/pop-ups aren't a great option for us either (plus we would need to pull a large trailer to accommodate all our tenting gear for 8 haha!)
thankfully? around here hybrids are not very popular-they sit and sit and sit it seems-but I also live rurally where most people have large trucks (and fit in the truck lol!) so many people have larger campers. but that also means there are not a ton on the market around here either.
we need 4500 dry weight not gross weight.
are the ones I mentioned not good options? are those not good makes? were they 'bad' for some reason?
any other hybrid/expandable options. older probably 2000-2010 range. we are not looking for new.