Hyundai's new hydrogen truck
Seen pictures of the new Hyundai hydrogen powered truck the Neptune. It looks like a old fashioned art deco steam train, very cool. Would make a neat RV with the matching tailer.
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colliehauler wrote:
Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
If you want to get into cost of ownership keeping what you already have is by far the cheapest route. Just sales tax and personal property tax would pay my fuel bills for several years. Increased cost of full coverage on a late model over liability insurance would add to the savings. If I take 70k or whatever the cost of a new truck is and invest the money I can pay for all the maintenance on the profits and have money left over, (which I have done). In 5 years my old 1999 7.3 Diesel has required less then 2k in maintenance. Throttle position sensor and ball joints and a oil and filter change every year. Tag fees, taxes and insurance are at a minimum. My 2000 V-10 has required a clutch kit, heater core, plugs and coil packs, a set of tires, oil and filter changes once a year.mich800 wrote:
free radical wrote:
stsmark wrote:
So in the article,
Globally, it's a different story, since fossil-fuel Hyundai semi-tractors are sold in more than 100 countries, and the company's zero-emission truck future is starting outside the U.S. as well. Hyundai will also deliver the first of 1600 hydrogen-powered semi-tractors to companies in Switzerland later this year. While the powertrain in these trucks is zero emission, the look is a more standard cab-over design based on Hyundai's XCient truck.
Should be interesting when they hit Switzerland .
Zero emisions?
In your dreams.
Hydrogen is made mostly from fosil fuels.
Look up how much it costs to make hydrogen and what infrastructure it needs to fuel these things.
EV are cheaper and better
You just made the exact same arguments against EV's. This is why government should not be involved in picking winners and losers. Let the market find the lowest cost most energy efficient method. Alternative energy sources for vehicles is still in its infancy. I am not convinced EV is the technology that will win. We have at a minimum a decade or more for things to start to shake out.
Except that the total cost of ownership over a 5-year period, Tesla 3 is already less expensive than a Toyota Camry.
Plus time savings for not having a 5,000 mile check up and stopping for gas when you charge at home.
My sister purchases a new vehicle every three years and most have been in the shop more then my old trucks. The difference hers repairs are covered under warranty.
My cost of ownership per mile driven is far cheaper then hers despite the fuel consumption which is only one factor in the equation.
If a person wants a new vehicle with the latest technology I understand completely. Cost of ownership argument doesn't stand up unless you can prove it to me with actual numbers.
You had to purchase the one you had, and pay taxes, etc. on it. Ignoring that cost kinda invalidates the comparison. Apples, oranges...- The first thing that I noticed was that there are no side mirrors. Would it use cameras? In the picture of the driver's seat, I don't see any screens for camera display.
mich800 wrote:
Extrapolation and wishful thinking. :)Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
mich800 wrote:
free radical wrote:
stsmark wrote:
So in the article,
Globally, it's a different story, since fossil-fuel Hyundai semi-tractors are sold in more than 100 countries, and the company's zero-emission truck future is starting outside the U.S. as well. Hyundai will also deliver the first of 1600 hydrogen-powered semi-tractors to companies in Switzerland later this year. While the powertrain in these trucks is zero emission, the look is a more standard cab-over design based on Hyundai's XCient truck.
Should be interesting when they hit Switzerland .
Zero emisions?
In your dreams.
Hydrogen is made mostly from fosil fuels.
Look up how much it costs to make hydrogen and what infrastructure it needs to fuel these things.
EV are cheaper and better
You just made the exact same arguments against EV's. This is why government should not be involved in picking winners and losers. Let the market find the lowest cost most energy efficient method. Alternative energy sources for vehicles is still in its infancy. I am not convinced EV is the technology that will win. We have at a minimum a decade or more for things to start to shake out.
Except that the total cost of ownership over a 5-year period, Tesla 3 is already less expensive than a Toyota Camry.
Plus time savings for not having a 5,000 mile check up and stopping for gas when you charge at home.
I didn't know the Model 3 has even been out for 5 years. Or are these estimates based on an unknown historical cost?Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
If you want to get into cost of ownership keeping what you already have is by far the cheapest route. Just sales tax and personal property tax would pay my fuel bills for several years. Increased cost of full coverage on a late model over liability insurance would add to the savings. If I take 70k or whatever the cost of a new truck is and invest the money I can pay for all the maintenance on the profits and have money left over, (which I have done). In 5 years my old 1999 7.3 Diesel has required less then 2k in maintenance. Throttle position sensor and ball joints and a oil and filter change every year. Tag fees, taxes and insurance are at a minimum. My 2000 V-10 has required a clutch kit, heater core, plugs and coil packs, a set of tires, oil and filter changes once a year.mich800 wrote:
free radical wrote:
stsmark wrote:
So in the article,
Globally, it's a different story, since fossil-fuel Hyundai semi-tractors are sold in more than 100 countries, and the company's zero-emission truck future is starting outside the U.S. as well. Hyundai will also deliver the first of 1600 hydrogen-powered semi-tractors to companies in Switzerland later this year. While the powertrain in these trucks is zero emission, the look is a more standard cab-over design based on Hyundai's XCient truck.
Should be interesting when they hit Switzerland .
Zero emisions?
In your dreams.
Hydrogen is made mostly from fosil fuels.
Look up how much it costs to make hydrogen and what infrastructure it needs to fuel these things.
EV are cheaper and better
You just made the exact same arguments against EV's. This is why government should not be involved in picking winners and losers. Let the market find the lowest cost most energy efficient method. Alternative energy sources for vehicles is still in its infancy. I am not convinced EV is the technology that will win. We have at a minimum a decade or more for things to start to shake out.
Except that the total cost of ownership over a 5-year period, Tesla 3 is already less expensive than a Toyota Camry.
Plus time savings for not having a 5,000 mile check up and stopping for gas when you charge at home.
My sister purchases a new vehicle every three years and most have been in the shop more then my old trucks. The difference hers repairs are covered under warranty.
My cost of ownership per mile driven is far cheaper then hers despite the fuel consumption which is only one factor in the equation.
If a person wants a new vehicle with the latest technology I understand completely. Cost of ownership argument doesn't stand up unless you can prove it to me with actual numbers.free radical wrote:
stsmark wrote:
So in the article,
Globally, it's a different story, since fossil-fuel Hyundai semi-tractors are sold in more than 100 countries, and the company's zero-emission truck future is starting outside the U.S. as well. Hyundai will also deliver the first of 1600 hydrogen-powered semi-tractors to companies in Switzerland later this year. While the powertrain in these trucks is zero emission, the look is a more standard cab-over design based on Hyundai's XCient truck.
Should be interesting when they hit Switzerland .
Zero emisions?
In your dreams.
Hydrogen is made mostly from fosil fuels.
Look up how much it costs to make hydrogen and what infrastructure it needs to fuel these things.
EV are cheaper and better
Hydrogen is made from electrolysis, splitting water into hydrogen and oxygen using the same electricity you would use to charge the EV. We have not looked at Hyundai much but we will, we're already about 100% decided on Nikola trucks someday being in our yard and are on their list. A Nikola fuel station supposedly will also have its own onsite solar farm, but still require connection to the same grid that an EV charging station requires. I suspect the Hyundai and others will propose some sort of similar arrangement but at some point it will not be brand specific. Any argument about fossil fuel is a moot point. You're going to have electricity generated by burning natural gas for at least the next 50 years or they would not be building all of these gas fired plants.
Trucking is a cutthroat business all based on range and weight. If you were not two cents cheaper per mile than the next guy that load behind you would not be there and that's all the shipper cares about. The Nikola will have more range and way less weight due to less batteries required than a Tesla or any other battery based truck, and I assume the Hyundai will be the same. The more your tractor weighs, the less your able to haul, its 2nd grade math based on subtracting everything from 80K lbs. Everyone on this board will be long in the dirt before seeing diesel trucks not on the road regardless.
Where do you come up with the battery based EV is better and cheaper?gbopp wrote:
Hyundai CONCEPT hydrogen truck
It is a neat looking rig. I'm guessing if it is built it will look different than the concept drawings.
Looks like a Harlry Earl Concept GM Truck from the 1930's
colliehauler wrote:
Seen pictures of the new Hyundai hydrogen powered truck the Neptune. It looks like a old fashioned art deco steam train, very cool. Would make a neat RV with the matching tailer.
It looks like many concept trucks that are nice and streamlined and do not eventuate. Hyundai was supposed to bring out a mini Pickup in 2015
Koreans tend to ape the Japanese, who are also bringing out Hydrogen powered trucksYosemite Sam1 wrote:
mich800 wrote:
free radical wrote:
stsmark wrote:
So in the article,
Globally, it's a different story, since fossil-fuel Hyundai semi-tractors are sold in more than 100 countries, and the company's zero-emission truck future is starting outside the U.S. as well. Hyundai will also deliver the first of 1600 hydrogen-powered semi-tractors to companies in Switzerland later this year. While the powertrain in these trucks is zero emission, the look is a more standard cab-over design based on Hyundai's XCient truck.
Should be interesting when they hit Switzerland .
Zero emisions?
In your dreams.
Hydrogen is made mostly from fosil fuels.
Look up how much it costs to make hydrogen and what infrastructure it needs to fuel these things.
EV are cheaper and better
You just made the exact same arguments against EV's. This is why government should not be involved in picking winners and losers. Let the market find the lowest cost most energy efficient method. Alternative energy sources for vehicles is still in its infancy. I am not convinced EV is the technology that will win. We have at a minimum a decade or more for things to start to shake out.
Except that the total cost of ownership over a 5-year period, Tesla 3 is already less expensive than a Toyota Camry.
Plus time savings for not having a 5,000 mile check up and stopping for gas when you charge at home.
I didn't know the Model 3 has even been out for 5 years. Or are these estimates based on an unknown historical cost?mich800 wrote:
free radical wrote:
stsmark wrote:
So in the article,
Globally, it's a different story, since fossil-fuel Hyundai semi-tractors are sold in more than 100 countries, and the company's zero-emission truck future is starting outside the U.S. as well. Hyundai will also deliver the first of 1600 hydrogen-powered semi-tractors to companies in Switzerland later this year. While the powertrain in these trucks is zero emission, the look is a more standard cab-over design based on Hyundai's XCient truck.
Should be interesting when they hit Switzerland .
Zero emisions?
In your dreams.
Hydrogen is made mostly from fosil fuels.
Look up how much it costs to make hydrogen and what infrastructure it needs to fuel these things.
EV are cheaper and better
You just made the exact same arguments against EV's. This is why government should not be involved in picking winners and losers. Let the market find the lowest cost most energy efficient method. Alternative energy sources for vehicles is still in its infancy. I am not convinced EV is the technology that will win. We have at a minimum a decade or more for things to start to shake out.
Except that the total cost of ownership over a 5-year period, Tesla 3 is already less expensive than a Toyota Camry.
Plus time savings for not having a 5,000 mile check up and stopping for gas when you charge at home.free radical wrote:
stsmark wrote:
So in the article,
Globally, it's a different story, since fossil-fuel Hyundai semi-tractors are sold in more than 100 countries, and the company's zero-emission truck future is starting outside the U.S. as well. Hyundai will also deliver the first of 1600 hydrogen-powered semi-tractors to companies in Switzerland later this year. While the powertrain in these trucks is zero emission, the look is a more standard cab-over design based on Hyundai's XCient truck.
Should be interesting when they hit Switzerland .
Zero emisions?
In your dreams.
Hydrogen is made mostly from fosil fuels.
Look up how much it costs to make hydrogen and what infrastructure it needs to fuel these things.
EV are cheaper and better
You just made the exact same arguments against EV's. This is why government should not be involved in picking winners and losers. Let the market find the lowest cost most energy efficient method. Alternative energy sources for vehicles is still in its infancy. I am not convinced EV is the technology that will win. We have at a minimum a decade or more for things to start to shake out.
