If you are from Texas...Cybertruck can power a house

Actually it was a Ford 150 Power Boost that was powering a house in Texas.

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wanderingaimlessly wrote:
Carbon fuel provides over 60% of our energy US production
Even the EV's are 60% carbon fueled, and only 17% of their supply is renewable, and that includes all the hydro.

Keep burning your carbon fuel while lying to yourself that "it's all green".

My energy doesn't come from the national average, in my state around 70% of our power comes from renewables (including large hydro). And the state-wide goal is for all utilities to be carbon neutral by 2030 and free of fossil fuels by 2045.

If you think your state's not generating enough power from renewables, talk to your legislators. But EV's are so much more energy efficient that studies show that an EV is cleaner than an gasoline powered car even when the electricity is generated from coal.

And ALL of it is made possible by the carbon fueled machines that mine the ore, the heavy metals used in the batteries, and drill for the petroleum used for everything from the plastics in your keyboard to the refined metals in the wires carrying your wannabe "Clean energy".

If we have to wait for everything to be converted to electric before starting to migrate to EVs, then no one could ever drive an EV. But even heavy mining equipment is being electrified (much of it is stationary or follows fixed routes)

The time to move to an alternative fuel source is while petroleum is relatively cheap. No one (well few) are saying that every use of petroleum needs to end, moving to EV's makes petroleum more available and cheaper for manufacturing products that need it.

wanderingaimlessly wrote:
Carbon fuel provides over 60% of our energy US production
Even the EV's are 60% carbon fueled, and only 17% of their supply is renewable, and that includes all the hydro.

Keep burning your carbon fuel while lying to yourself that "it's all green".
And ALL of it is made possible by the carbon fueled machines that mine the ore, the heavy metals used in the batteries, and drill for the petroleum used for everything from the plastics in your keyboard to the refined metals in the wires carrying your wannabe "Clean energy".

Yah. Don’t know. I’m not American. Again. Using a broad brush doesn’t work well. The amount of electricity coming from fossil fuels is dropping in many parts of the world. Grids are getting cleaner all the time...including the US.

Carbon fuel provides over 60% of our energy US production
Even the EV's are 60% carbon fueled, and only 17% of their supply is renewable, and that includes all the hydro.

Keep burning your carbon fuel while lying to yourself that "it's all green".
And ALL of it is made possible by the carbon fueled machines that mine the ore, the heavy metals used in the batteries, and drill for the petroleum used for everything from the plastics in your keyboard to the refined metals in the wires carrying your wannabe "Clean energy".

Insulation is step 1.

wanderingaimlessly wrote:

Reisender wrote:

wanderingaimlessly wrote:
Like everything from these articles, this is smoke/mirrors/slanted, and highly biased.

Curious though, how would this compare to a cheap non envirowhacked genny with a 55 gallon drum of gasoline?
Tesla, 3 or 4 hours IF you have a large enough inverter, then dead and useless, for $60,000
Cheap genny and a drum of gasoline 55 gallons, 4 gallons a day to keep the fridge (and beer) cold,,, two weeks at $500
Yep typical.

Typically keeping a house powered with basic needs like the fridge, furnace motor and some lights would use around 7 kwh per day. A Tesla Cybertruck with a 200kwh battery should keep that going for a couple weeks or more.

A furnace???? what does it burn? Sunshine and lollipops?

More seriously, I see the Tesla and other BEV's as a rehashing of an old event.
Modern transportation/ post animal powered,,,
1840's - 1940's Steam, best usage in large heavy applications like railroads and shipping because of heavy equipment used to control it, and bulky fuel such as wood and coal.
It did not lend itself well to smaller private conveyance usage, with the notable exception of the Steemer type automobiles which used kerosene as fuel.

ICE began to unseat steam around 1900, and still reigns as the primary means of private conveyance. Ease and portability of refueling being the key advantage.

Electric vehicles began common usage in early 1900's but power had to be provided to rail usage by either wired systems (Streetcar/subway trains), or by large diesel electric systems. Which like todays battery powered units relied on another source of primary energy.
But unless you have an independent power source, you are still relying on carbon based fuels. And the batteries still have many of the same issues of weight and fuel storage the old steam powered units had.

Your Tesla/Bolt is the modern Stanley Steamer, an interesting toy, but will be a rare relic within a few years.
I do believe some other technology will come along, and replace them all, be it hydrogen or some nuclear version.
But for now, buy and fondle your soon to be oddity.

Depends where you live I suppose. Furnaces usually burn natural or propane here. Electricity on the other hand comes mostly from hydro, Wind, geothermal, biomass etc. Painting everything with a broad brush doesn’t really work.

Not to many manufacturers are planning on developing ice vehicles past about 2035. Get em while you can. :). Lol.

Reisender wrote:

wanderingaimlessly wrote:
Like everything from these articles, this is smoke/mirrors/slanted, and highly biased.

Curious though, how would this compare to a cheap non envirowhacked genny with a 55 gallon drum of gasoline?
Tesla, 3 or 4 hours IF you have a large enough inverter, then dead and useless, for $60,000
Cheap genny and a drum of gasoline 55 gallons, 4 gallons a day to keep the fridge (and beer) cold,,, two weeks at $500
Yep typical.

Typically keeping a house powered with basic needs like the fridge, furnace motor and some lights would use around 7 kwh per day. A Tesla Cybertruck with a 200kwh battery should keep that going for a couple weeks or more.

A furnace???? what does it burn? Sunshine and lollipops?

More seriously, I see the Tesla and other BEV's as a rehashing of an old event.
Modern transportation/ post animal powered,,,
1840's - 1940's Steam, best usage in large heavy applications like railroads and shipping because of heavy equipment used to control it, and bulky fuel such as wood and coal.
It did not lend itself well to smaller private conveyance usage, with the notable exception of the Steemer type automobiles which used kerosene as fuel.

ICE began to unseat steam around 1900, and still reigns as the primary means of private conveyance. Ease and portability of refueling being the key advantage.

Electric vehicles began common usage in early 1900's but power had to be provided to rail usage by either wired systems (Streetcar/subway trains), or by large diesel electric systems. Which like todays battery powered units relied on another source of primary energy.
But unless you have an independent power source, you are still relying on carbon based fuels. And the batteries still have many of the same issues of weight and fuel storage the old steam powered units had.

Your Tesla/Bolt is the modern Stanley Steamer, an interesting toy, but will be a rare relic within a few years.
I do believe some other technology will come along, and replace them all, be it hydrogen or some nuclear version.
But for now, buy and fondle your soon to be oddity.

wanderingaimlessly wrote:

rlw999 wrote:

wanderingaimlessly wrote:
Like everything from these articles, this is smoke/mirrors/slanted, and highly biased.

Curious though, how would this compare to a cheap non envirowhacked genny with a 55 gallon drum of gasoline?
Tesla, 3 or 4 hours IF you have a large enough inverter, then dead and useless, for $60,000
Cheap genny and a drum of gasoline 55 gallons, 4 gallons a day to keep the fridge (and beer) cold,,, two weeks at $500
Yep typical.

The cybertruck is reported to have up to a 200KWh battery. A modern 'fridge uses around 50KWh of energy a month, so if all you want to do is keep your fridge cold, you can power it off your cybertruck battery for 4 months. And you don't have to worry about storing a 55 gallon drum of gasoline and keep it rotated and fresh. And you won't need to turn off the generator every 4 days to change the oil.

But actual humans dont only run the fridge, I used that simply as an example. And if you wany to really compare, dont forget that the genny can be "reloaded " for about $130 for two more weeks,
The Tesla will still be a $60,000 fishing sinker.

I think everyone here knows how little power you can use while boondocking if you try -- but even without trying hard, I could power my home gas furnace, run all the lights I need, and power the 'fridge, and still manage to get weeks of usage out of 200KWh of energy.

If you can easily go buy another 55 gallons of fuel during this power emergency, why not just charge up your Cybertruck wherever you're buying fuel? None of the gas stations around me have backup generators -- when the city lost power a few months ago after a windstorm, gas stations were closed.

Yosemite Sam1 wrote:
Something for Texans to consider -- and be off grid and off Griddy and their $17,000 electricity bill.:E


Cybertruck can power a tiny house

so can a propane generator
bumpy

wanderingaimlessly wrote:
Like everything from these articles, this is smoke/mirrors/slanted, and highly biased.

Curious though, how would this compare to a cheap non envirowhacked genny with a 55 gallon drum of gasoline?
Tesla, 3 or 4 hours IF you have a large enough inverter, then dead and useless, for $60,000
Cheap genny and a drum of gasoline 55 gallons, 4 gallons a day to keep the fridge (and beer) cold,,, two weeks at $500
Yep typical.

Typically keeping a house powered with basic needs like the fridge, furnace motor and some lights would use around 7 kwh per day. A Tesla Cybertruck with a 200kwh battery should keep that going for a couple weeks or more.