J2807 SAE towing standards

I think so on half tons, but Ram is still the only one who uses it on their heavy duty models.

IdaD wrote:
I think so on half tons, but Ram is still the only one who uses it on their heavy duty models.

X2 but I heard Ford is using it in their 2017MY

F250/350 no, F450 yes.

ALL RAM trucks follow it.

GM not sure.

All Toyotas do.

In 2017, All Ford trucks should be following the standard
I think all Full-sized GM, RAM and Toyota trucks currently follow the standards as well. I'm not sure about the Colorado or Tacoma trucks.
I'm also unsure about the Nissan Titan at this point in time.

IdaD wrote:
I think so on half tons, but Ram is still the only one who uses it on their heavy duty models.

GM has been there "unofficially" on their HDs for a few years. GM and Ford had agreed that they would both do it one year. (IIRC, 2012 or 2013) GM released their figures which were actually a little higher than what they had been advertising for most of the HDs, but lower for the 1/2 tons.
Ford reneged, and GM quickly withdrew the figures.
It was posted on this forum for a short time back then. GM did not want to take a sales hit on the 1/2 tons, goiung up against Fords fake numbers.
So they used their own fake numbers.

Isn't marketing great?:B

Huntindog wrote:

IdaD wrote:
I think so on half tons, but Ram is still the only one who uses it on their heavy duty models.

GM has been there "unofficially" on their HDs for a few years. GM and Ford had agreed that they would both do it one year. (IIRC, 2012 or 2013) GM released their figures which were actually a little higher than what they had been advertising for most of the HDs, but lower for the 1/2 tons.
Ford reneged, and GM quickly withdrew the figures.
It was posted on this forum for a short time back then. GM did not want to take a sales hit on the 1/2 tons, goiung up against Fords fake numbers.
So they used their own fake numbers.

Isn't marketing great?:B

So Ford has been getting away with fake towing and payload numbers all along?

Now I understand the term Ford Fairy Dust - they sprinkle it on their trucks when they need a better rating.

Keep in mind that even the J2807 spec does not really help RVers. It is primarily performance/acceleration/braking metrics and does not take into account TV payload with respect to the TV loaded up with family and bed/cargo areas full of camping gear.

APT wrote:
Keep in mind that even the J2807 spec does not really help RVers. It is primarily performance/acceleration/braking metrics and does not take into account TV payload with respect to the TV loaded up with family and bed/cargo areas full of camping gear.

Acceleration and braking are important to me - and yes I RV a lot.

Flashman wrote:

Huntindog wrote:

IdaD wrote:
I think so on half tons, but Ram is still the only one who uses it on their heavy duty models.

GM has been there "unofficially" on their HDs for a few years. GM and Ford had agreed that they would both do it one year. (IIRC, 2012 or 2013) GM released their figures which were actually a little higher than what they had been advertising for most of the HDs, but lower for the 1/2 tons.
Ford reneged, and GM quickly withdrew the figures.
It was posted on this forum for a short time back then. GM did not want to take a sales hit on the 1/2 tons, goiung up against Fords fake numbers.
So they used their own fake numbers.

Isn't marketing great?:B

So Ford has been getting away with fake towing and payload numbers all along?

Now I understand the term Ford Fairy Dust - they sprinkle it on their trucks when they need a better rating.

And they remove unessential stuff like center consoles and bumpers, just like most owners do in the real world.