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myredracer
Nov 06, 2013Explorer II
We don't actually have one of those yellow stickers. Have looked everywhere. I see them all the time on other units. We have a white sticker on the inside of a door cabinet showing tongue weight and UVW. It also has the VIN # on it. Is this the equivalent of a yellow sticker? These weights aren't much different than the factory listed dry wts. so it has me wondering.
To me, I see it as a problem when you can't determine from a manufacturer what all the options will weigh in advance of you getting it. No one seems to know exactly what is included in factory dry weight. Is it a stripped down bare bones unit? An average? What about wt. of forced options? Does each and every option you choose add wt.? When upgrading a item, is it a net difference between the standard item and option? Do they include a standard manual awning in the dry weight? Does 100% of a power awning get added or is it the net difference?
To the one who asked about our actual weights, yes I used the correct 3 pass method (with bars in TV) and have done it many times while setting up our WDH. Using a CAT scale and 2 commercial truck scales I got nearly identical numbers. I am still having problems accepting that the tongue wt. is actually 960 lbs when the factory says it is 518 dry. We only have one battery and the holding tanks were empty. I could not get the WDH weight transfer set up until I switched from 800 to 1200 lb bars. We also have a rear kitchen - maybe they bias more wt. to the front to account for wt. in the kitchen? I have a feeling that the factory installed fiberglass cap adds a fair bit of weight up front. We only had some very basic stuff in the trailer - BBQ, sewer hoses & fittings, chocks, leveling blocks, hoses, outdoor mat, clothes for a weekend, dishes & cutlery, food for a weekend, etc. I know that your unit typically goes up by around 1,000 - 1,500 lbs over factory dry wt. but I can't see it being anywhere near 1,000 lbs of added camping stuff. We have just 200 lbs left before hitting the GVWR and that's with empty holding tanks and only one battery. That's unsettling to know. Until proven otherwise, I'm still sure some or all factory options aren't included in the figures on the white sticker in our unit or in published numbers. I may take our now fully emptied TT to a scale to find out what it weighs for the record.
If a dealer installs the propane tanks and batteries (about 40 lbs each)isn't that just over 100 lbs.so the dealer *should* be revising the wt.? So maybe the weight of LP tanks is factored in at the plant. This still goes against the prevailing comments that anything the dealer installs adds weight.
I still read people posting that they find major differences in listed dry weights and their actual while some are finding very close. But for those finding it very close on their yellow stickers, does that mean that some manufacturers include the weight of options on their published weights?
To me, I see it as a problem when you can't determine from a manufacturer what all the options will weigh in advance of you getting it. No one seems to know exactly what is included in factory dry weight. Is it a stripped down bare bones unit? An average? What about wt. of forced options? Does each and every option you choose add wt.? When upgrading a item, is it a net difference between the standard item and option? Do they include a standard manual awning in the dry weight? Does 100% of a power awning get added or is it the net difference?
To the one who asked about our actual weights, yes I used the correct 3 pass method (with bars in TV) and have done it many times while setting up our WDH. Using a CAT scale and 2 commercial truck scales I got nearly identical numbers. I am still having problems accepting that the tongue wt. is actually 960 lbs when the factory says it is 518 dry. We only have one battery and the holding tanks were empty. I could not get the WDH weight transfer set up until I switched from 800 to 1200 lb bars. We also have a rear kitchen - maybe they bias more wt. to the front to account for wt. in the kitchen? I have a feeling that the factory installed fiberglass cap adds a fair bit of weight up front. We only had some very basic stuff in the trailer - BBQ, sewer hoses & fittings, chocks, leveling blocks, hoses, outdoor mat, clothes for a weekend, dishes & cutlery, food for a weekend, etc. I know that your unit typically goes up by around 1,000 - 1,500 lbs over factory dry wt. but I can't see it being anywhere near 1,000 lbs of added camping stuff. We have just 200 lbs left before hitting the GVWR and that's with empty holding tanks and only one battery. That's unsettling to know. Until proven otherwise, I'm still sure some or all factory options aren't included in the figures on the white sticker in our unit or in published numbers. I may take our now fully emptied TT to a scale to find out what it weighs for the record.
If a dealer installs the propane tanks and batteries (about 40 lbs each)isn't that just over 100 lbs.so the dealer *should* be revising the wt.? So maybe the weight of LP tanks is factored in at the plant. This still goes against the prevailing comments that anything the dealer installs adds weight.
I still read people posting that they find major differences in listed dry weights and their actual while some are finding very close. But for those finding it very close on their yellow stickers, does that mean that some manufacturers include the weight of options on their published weights?
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