FishOnOne wrote:
ksss wrote:
At a time when many on here bash GM for their ignition switch issues (which is deserved) it is interesting that when the wind blows the skirt up at FORD over the 6.0 issue, it is not very pretty either (save it, I know no one has died over a 6.0L engine issue). Deleting emails to save themselves from lawsuits, and masking repair issues to get the engine past the warranty period so the costs were transferred to the customer is not very ethical either.
T-he 6.4 had fewer issues after its initial 1.5 years in service than the 6.0 had in its "most problems have been resolved" years of 06-07. It is interesting because the 6.4 is not known for having a stellar reliability record either.
I think it is also interesting that the according to Navistar, the 06-07 models while better than previous models from a repair standpoint, still had far to many issues. Kind of kills the chorus here that says the later versions solved the problems that plagued the issues of the early versions. Ford clearly was not willing/able to solve any of the root design issues through out the production life of the 6.0L. Only the aftermarket was willing to do that, with some degree of success.
It is evident that the engine was flawed. If you were one of the original 6.0 purchasers I can understand MAYBE why getting it "bulletproofed" could make sense. However why people keep posting on here "I can get a great deal on a 6.0, should I buy It?" escapes me. Than you get the 6.0 owners that have not seen the issues typically displayed by the 6.0, chime in how it is the haters that bring the reputation of the 6.0 down. Ford and Navistar themselves in their own words, through emails that did not get deleted, can be shown here telling the truth about their own product and it is ugly. Why some of Ford's own customers refuse to acknowledge what Ford/Navistar themselves clearly admit, shows that brand loyalty can become much more powerful than the product itself.
That brand loyalty has served Ford very well. Given that Ford still commands the sales lead in diesel pickups, many of the current 6.7 owners were 6.0 and 6.4 owners, the majority I would say (given what we know about the reliability record of the 6.0 and 6.4) had been kicked in the junk by Ford in the past, yet are able to see past that to own another. Even after knowing or suspecting that Ford was transferring costs of repair from Ford to themselves. Powerful mojo.
Let's not forget the recent thread about the Duramax with all the failed injectors that you couldn't wrap your head around. :W
Duramax Injector Failure
BTW... Loved my 6.0 PSD truck.
I didn't know anyone cared, but just for you Fish, the guy PMed me. The situation makes a little more sense once he explained himself in more detail.:W