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work2much
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Aug 26, 2017

Mammoth ordered! And now in production!

Host Mammoth and Eagle Cap 1165.

Ever since our AF slide broke again we have been thinking about a new camper. A new triple slide camper. :C

We will be ordering something here very soon. This is a tough choice because both have strong appeal, and it is obvious that a lot of thought and care went into both units.

Both units look to be able to add large solar panels system and large lithium iron phosphate bank in the basement as well and associated inverter/converter equipment.

So doing as much research as a I can on the road and finally visiting a dealership today near Portland Oregon that has both brands we are trying to sort through the pros and cons.

Knowing that there is no shortage of advice and experience here I thought I would sound off my thoughts and let folks with experience chime in.

Here we go:

HOST:

Pros:

Lighter weight than EC (exactly how much, not sure. 500-800 lbs?)
Solid company with happy customers here on this board.
Huge pantry
Massive basement.
Terrific light from rear side window.

Cons:
Small wardrobe space outside of cab-over (awkward for me to use while DW is in bed)
Rear slide is shallow and seating blocks door if reclined. Probably not able to put a decent stand alone chair in this space if we delete the rear seating.
Casework drawers were not as solid compared to EC.
Dinette area would be a pain to repurpose due to forced air furnace and black tank utilizing space above floor in slide.
Weird dumping valves/having holding tank in the slide.

Eagle Cap:

Pros:

Lots of usable counter space in kitchen on island.
Great wardrobe space in bathroom area where one would change after a shower
Nice wardrobe space just inside entry door for coats, shoes, or even pantry.
Deep rear slide could support a slim stand alone recliner.
Dinette and slide not encumbered by HVAC or plumbing and could be used for whatever we want to build /customize down the road

Cons:

Shorter shower. A bit of ducking needed but good width.
Higher weight.
Wife cannot access bed from her side through kitchen
Dinette seats too short from backrest. Not as comfortable as HOST.

One other con for the HOST which I am not sure if I should even mention until we (hopefully visit the factory on Monday with possible explanations) is the Delam we saw on both units at Apache RV today. This was only on the slide sidewalls. The salesperson there was actually a service tech for many years in the industry and didn't try to BS me. He called it delimitation and offered as an explanation the small wall systems are probably built differently by hand compared to large exterior wall sections where adhesion methods could produce a better bond. He said he would contact HOST. BTW he repeatedly said HOST were great guys who stand behind their products. Just seemed weird to have two new units with visible delimitation on a lot.

In any case... Fire away. We figure we will have to order either way and time frame isn't critical. It would be nice to take it on a test drive in Jan down south to New Mexico.
  • jimh425 wrote:
    I think floorplan is probably the most important when choosing a RV. My Host was built in Fall of 2005. It has no delamination issues. It is a double slide.

    Some thoughts about why the delamination could have happened at the slide. Note: none of these potential issues would be unique to Host and would apply to any slide.

    1. The slide opening increases the edges. Both on the inside of the opening and the outside of the slide. More edges means more potential access for water.
    2. Side walls can flex more with slides. Obviously, the walls flex more if the TC the weight in the slide is more. 4 heavy people in a slide with heavy items in the drawers would flex a wall more than 2 lighter people with less in the drawer. The difference could be hundreds of pounds. Walls flex more if the slides are opened when the TC is not properly supported or unlevel. More flex means more potential to crack and provide an entry point for water.
    3. Moisture is generally bad for an RV. Obviously Western WA/OR get more rain than most of California. Moisture plus changes in temperature could cause expansion/contraction and cause the materials to separate. I don't think separation would have a very negative effect without the water.


    Floorplan between them is similar. I like the EC more. Wife likes the HOST. Both of us can live with either.

    As far as the delam. I believe it's more of a case of never-lamed. These are brand new units fresh from the factory so weather/use really shouldn't have played a part.

    This is the worst case. You can see the large horizontal bubble as well as smaller bubbles higher up. The slide on the camper behind this one has similar bubbles though not as bad as this. Maybe these are acceptable? I don't think water intruded.
  • Lwiddis wrote:
    A savings of 500 to 800 pounds in a TC is significant IMO.


    Agreed
  • GeoBoy wrote:
    Go with the Host, better slide mechanism. A triple slide is going to be marginal on a 350/3500 truck.


    Agree, that should have been on my "pro" list for the HOST. I also get a better feeling about HOST helping me out if something goes wrong.
  • I think floorplan is probably the most important when choosing a RV. My Host was built in Fall of 2005. It has no delamination issues. It is a double slide.

    Some thoughts about why the delamination could have happened at the slide. Note: none of these potential issues would be unique to Host and would apply to any slide.

    1. The slide opening increases the edges. Both on the inside of the opening and the outside of the slide. More edges means more potential access for water.
    2. Side walls can flex more with slides. Obviously, the walls flex more if the TC the weight in the slide is more. 4 heavy people in a slide with heavy items in the drawers would flex a wall more than 2 lighter people with less in the drawer. The difference could be hundreds of pounds. Walls flex more if the slides are opened when the TC is not properly supported or unlevel. More flex means more potential to crack and provide an entry point for water.
    3. Moisture is generally bad for an RV. Obviously Western WA/OR get more rain than most of California. Moisture plus changes in temperature could cause expansion/contraction and cause the materials to separate. I don't think separation would have a very negative effect without the water.
  • I went Host, but I liked their FP the best. Access to the bed from both sides is huge. I admit the dump valves were a little strange at first. Now I don't even think about it. Good luck with your purchase.
  • Pinch roller machines are used for laminating. I'm not sure why the slideout side walls would be any different. It sounds like an anomaly.

    The Schwintek slide mechanism used on the Eagle Cap requires a lot more precision build (square and plumb) on the slide box, the opening and alignment - which is something that manufacturers overall had to get used to or switch back to the simpler old style slide mechanism. I wouldn't say that the old style is any better.

    That said, ask the dealer if they can demonstrate how the slide mechanism can be manually operated in the event of motor failure.
    It may help in your decision.
  • A savings of 500 to 800 pounds in a TC is significant IMO.
  • Go with the Host, better slide mechanism. A triple slide is going to be marginal on a 350/3500 truck.