Forum Discussion
- Fish,
That is a great test but you and Ford are missing the most important part of that test.
The Ram loses 45 seconds to the Ford up that hill out of a 700 mile range. What is the Fords range pulling that trailer. I am willing to bet that the Ford will make many more fuel stops over 700 miles while pulling that trailer..
As far as merging into freeway traffic. It appears that the Ford is hampered by turbo lag in comparison to the Ram.
As to the fact that you may have to stop every 200 miles to urinate. You may want to talk to your urologist. I have made it from Yellowstone to California's central valley in 3 stops. One stop in Jackpot Nv. and one in Tonopah one at Stovepipe Wells. I am 64 years old. And I have no doubt most drivers can do the same.
Ford didn't have to wait for the EPA to release FE up that hill in that test. They could have been brave and bold and released the results on their own. They managed to release the hill climb times. :E
As I said I am looking for a exclusive tow vehicle so none of these half tons will do. Not even a 3/4 ton.
But I am careful to separate my needs from those of others. If you have a wife and 4 kids you do need something like a pickup to get around. So these trucks are a great solution that handles a few hauling needs even for those that don't tow.
But don't lose site of the fact that a common cry around here is, Whatever camper you buy now will end up being to small. So buy your vehicle accordingly. boocoodinkydow wrote:
FishOnOne wrote:
boocoodinkydow wrote:
buddyIam wrote:
Hybrid,
This is Trailer Life Mag. The majority are concerned with trailer towing capacity and MPG while trailering.
If you have a total vehicle length while towing exceeding 50 feet. You have no business passing anybody on a two lane road. No matter how much power you have.
If you are on a freeway your 0 to 60 times mean little.
In a 700 mile trip between fill ups. The Eco diesel will spend 20 seconds getting onto and up to freeway speed.
I need more capacity than any 1/2 ton comes with so I am trying to give a impartial opinion.
None of the get up and go / empty mpg talk means much on a trailering magazine web site. It maybe better suited for Soccer moms of America. ;>)
The voice of reason. One of the more objective members following these threads.
The voice of some but not all... These performance tests to me have direct correlation to how well or ease a truck will pull a trailer.
My previous truck had 325hp/570ft.lbs and my current truck has 400hp/800ft.lbs and will outperform my previous truck in every empty performance category imaginable. Having said that the direct benefit to me is my current truck will tow with a lot more ease and make better fuel economy while doing it then compared to my previous less performing truck.
Did Motor Trend perform this TEST? Also remember this is a "Tow Vehicles" forum so you can post the grocery getting video on another forum with that voice of reason! :W
actually, i've never lost sight of the fact that this is a tow vehicle sub forum of an rv site & have referenced the fact on more than one occassion but i'd like to make a couple of points. first, if you'll look around you may recognize that this site isn't exclusive to enormously powerful smoke belching heavy duty tow vehicles such as yours laboring under the load of massively heavy trailers. there's actually a vast selection of pleasurable rv's in a variety of sizes & weights with correspondingly appropriately sized trucks, and cars, performing tow duties quite adequately. secondly, few tow vehicles are relegated to that exclusive duty but are, in fact, in many cases used to log far more miles as "grocery getters". so please explain why you deem the discussion of this function as inappropriate at this site!! i assume the thread you initiated on the shelby is more in keeping with the proper topic here?!?
1. The last I looked out my HD diesel tail pipe I saw no smoke belching.
2. I do agree that a lot of HD diesel trucks are used for mostly grocery getting duties.Bionic Man wrote:
Great video Fish. Wonder why they mention fuel economy being important in the video, but they don't actually test it????
I'm glad you enjoyed it BM...
Ford published that video in 7/14 and just recently received EPA numbers so I wouldn't have expected them to publish fuel economy numbers then.
Let's be clear here BM... Ford mentions the truck was designed to be efficient without sacrificing capability!
:BFishOnOne wrote:
boocoodinkydow wrote:
buddyIam wrote:
Hybrid,
This is Trailer Life Mag. The majority are concerned with trailer towing capacity and MPG while trailering.
If you have a total vehicle length while towing exceeding 50 feet. You have no business passing anybody on a two lane road. No matter how much power you have.
If you are on a freeway your 0 to 60 times mean little.
In a 700 mile trip between fill ups. The Eco diesel will spend 20 seconds getting onto and up to freeway speed.
I need more capacity than any 1/2 ton comes with so I am trying to give a impartial opinion.
None of the get up and go / empty mpg talk means much on a trailering magazine web site. It maybe better suited for Soccer moms of America. ;>)
The voice of reason. One of the more objective members following these threads.
The voice of some but not all... These performance tests to me have direct correlation to how well or ease a truck will pull a trailer.
My previous truck had 325hp/570ft.lbs and my current truck has 400hp/800ft.lbs and will outperform my previous truck in every empty performance category imaginable. Having said that the direct benefit to me is my current truck will tow with a lot more ease and make better fuel economy while doing it then compared to my previous less performing truck.
Did Motor Trend perform this TEST? Also remember this is a "Tow Vehicles" forum so you can post the grocery getting video on another forum with that voice of reason! :W
actually, i've never lost sight of the fact that this is a tow vehicle sub forum of an rv site & have referenced the fact on more than one occassion but i'd like to make a couple of points. first, if you'll look around you may recognize that this site isn't exclusive to enormously powerful smoke belching heavy duty tow vehicles such as yours laboring under the load of massively heavy trailers. there's actually a vast selection of pleasurable rv's in a variety of sizes & weights with correspondingly appropriately sized trucks, and cars, performing tow duties quite adequately. secondly, few tow vehicles are relegated to that exclusive duty but are, in fact, in many cases used to log far more miles as "grocery getters". so please explain why you deem the discussion of this function as inappropriate at this site!! i assume the thread you initiated on the shelby is more in keeping with the proper topic here?!?Turtle n Peeps wrote:
Lessmore wrote:
AndrewM wrote:
The EcoDiesel was the slowest in every performance test - by a lot. With no fuel cost savings compared to the EcoBoost. Why would I want buy the EcoDiesel? What am I missing?
You're right the Dodge diesel is slower than the Chevy and Ford. Performance figures of the Ram, are 0-60 mph in 8.8 seconds, 1/4 mile in 16.6 seconds. That's not bad, probably a little better than average for the mix of new vehicles out there today.
To me and many others it's more than satisfactory. In a truck I don't need the acceleration of a Top Fuel dragster. I want really good low and mid range torque.
Everybody has different wants.
The math just does not come out on the 1/4 mile time with this truck. A 16.6 time in a truck with 240HP and weighs as much as it does should clock the 1/4 at low 17's; not mid 16's. The 0 to 60 times are way off too for some reason. Someone is cheating somewhere or this truck is an anomaly among anomalies. :h
My 2013 5000# VW Touareg with a 3.0 L TDI motor rated 240 HP and 406 ft lbs of torque, in an AWD configuration does 0-100km/hr in 6.9 seconds. That is not a misprint. You can see all kinds of videos of folks getting the same results on YouTube. So no, I don't find that 0-60 number to be that far off. It is known that VW fudges on the 0-100 km times in brochures, and err's on the conservative side, for insurance purposes and to keep insurance costs down. This has been observed since as far back as their first Direct injection TDI motor in the 1996 Passat TDI.
Clicky
Of course, all of that is a non issue to me... because I don't take my Touareg to the drag strip or the race track. It's a daily driver sometimes employed as a tow vehicle for my 4000 lb wet 21 foot travel trailer. Which is where the torque of a diesel motor comes in as a bonus feature while towing, it's the preferred fuel for doing heavy work and towing at steady state speeds on the interstate.- Great video Fish. Wonder why they mention fuel economy being important in the video, but they don't actually test it????
boocoodinkydow wrote:
buddyIam wrote:
Hybrid,
This is Trailer Life Mag. The majority are concerned with trailer towing capacity and MPG while trailering.
If you have a total vehicle length while towing exceeding 50 feet. You have no business passing anybody on a two lane road. No matter how much power you have.
If you are on a freeway your 0 to 60 times mean little.
In a 700 mile trip between fill ups. The Eco diesel will spend 20 seconds getting onto and up to freeway speed.
I need more capacity than any 1/2 ton comes with so I am trying to give a impartial opinion.
None of the get up and go / empty mpg talk means much on a trailering magazine web site. It maybe better suited for Soccer moms of America. ;>)
The voice of reason. One of the more objective members following these threads.
The voice of some but not all... These performance tests to me have direct correlation to how well or ease a truck will pull a trailer.
My previous truck had 325hp/570ft.lbs and my current truck has 400hp/800ft.lbs and will outperform my previous truck in every empty performance category imaginable. Having said that the direct benefit to me is my current truck will tow with a lot more ease and make better fuel economy while doing it then compared to my previous less performing truck.
Did Motor Trend perform this TEST? Also remember this is a "Tow Vehicles" forum so you can post the grocery getting video on another forum with that voice of reason! :WbuddyIam wrote:
Hybrid,
This is Trailer Life Mag. The majority are concerned with trailer towing capacity and MPG while trailering.
If you have a total vehicle length while towing exceeding 50 feet. You have no business passing anybody on a two lane road. No matter how much power you have.
If you are on a freeway your 0 to 60 times mean little.
In a 700 mile trip between fill ups. The Eco diesel will spend 20 seconds getting onto and up to freeway speed.
I need more capacity than any 1/2 ton comes with so I am trying to give a impartial opinion.
None of the get up and go / empty mpg talk means much on a trailering magazine web site. It maybe better suited for Soccer moms of America. ;>)
The voice of reason. One of the more objective members following these threads.- Hybrid,
This is Trailer Life Mag. The majority are concerned with trailer towing capacity and MPG while trailering.
If you have a total vehicle length while towing exceeding 50 feet. You have no business passing anybody on a two lane road. No matter how much power you have.
If you are on a freeway your 0 to 60 times mean little.
In a 700 mile trip between fill ups. The Eco diesel will spend 20 seconds getting onto and up to freeway speed.
I need more capacity than any 1/2 ton comes with so I am trying to give a impartial opinion.
None of the get up and go / empty mpg talk means much on a trailering magazine web site. It maybe better suited for Soccer moms of America. ;>) - Why does it bother you so much? Why do you always feel the need to post negatively about it? Go find another parade to rain on.
