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99Discovery
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Jun 09, 2014

My consolidated Newbie Questions

I've been lurking quite awhile doing my research, and I think I've narrowed down my questions. I figured they are pretty basic to the veterans, so I'll leave it to one thread rather than spamming the board. Here it goes:

Background:

Looking at getting a DRW 1-ton for the camper and to tow our 4wd to the base camp of our adventures (currently we have a Land Rover Discovery 2 which is roughly 5700lbs).

My wife and I are partial to the looks/interior design of the GMC/Chevy, she wants a diesel (limits payload, but a significant gain in towing performance). This gives us roughly a 5205 payload considering a curb weight of 7989 and GVWR of 13025. Now for the questions:

1) It's looking like I'd be limited to wet camper weight of 3800lbs wet, assuming the 4wd trailer is no more than 7k loaded (700 lbs tongue). This would give me 750 lbs or so for the kids and extra gear not included in the 3800lb camper weight. (A nicely spec'd Lance 850 comes it at 2693 on their website, it's small but it could work if I needed to go light) Does this seem right or feasible?

As far as trucks go, an F-450 only gives me a couple of hundred extra pounds of payload. The best choice for camper flexibility is the 6.0L gas engine in the chev. With it, I gain an additional 760lbs of cushion (which could get me a nice camper with a slide). But with the gas engine, I'm wondering about how it would actually fare with a 7,000 lb trailer on the back! I don't want to start a diesel/gas debate here, I've read many, but for my particular need, what are your thoughts?

2) Assuming the truck works as described in question 1 works, how well is this thing going to tow with an extension? Or am I going to be limited to 9' or shorter campers to limit the extension length? Will I need a new hitch, or is the heavy duty 3" stock hitches good enough?

3) I'm noticing that most new campers have an "option" for slide-out jacks. I'm assuming this is required to get the jacks around the dually fenders. My question is, if I decide to buy a used camper and these jacks aren't installed, how does one go about installing them without getting the camper in the truck bed to get the weight off the jack? Probably a dumb question, I know, but since I don't have a camper to look at, I'm curious.

4) Speaking of used campers, with the newer trucks having higher bed-rails, how old of a camper can I slide in without dimensions becoming an issue? There are really good deals on late 90's and early 2000 Lances in my area, will these be an issue sliding into a 2010-2015 DRW?


Thanks everyone!

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  • 99Discovery wrote:

    4) Speaking of used campers, with the newer trucks having higher bed-rails, how old of a camper can I slide in without dimensions becoming an issue? There are really good deals on late 90's and early 2000 Lances in my area, will these be an issue sliding into a 2010-2015 DRW?

    Thanks everyone!


    Yes, that will likely be an issue. I'd go look at the new trucks, take bed measurements then go do the same for some of the campers
  • 99Discovery wrote:


    2) Assuming the truck works as described in question 1 works, how well is this thing going to tow with an extension? Or am I going to be limited to 9' or shorter campers to limit the extension length? Will I need a new hitch, or is the heavy duty 3" stock hitches good enough?



    Stock GM hitch is actually 2.5"

    I'd actually replace the hitch with a Torklift SUperhitch, and use their Supertruss extension, and the frame (hitch) mounted tiedowns. The rear mounts are attached to the Superhitch.
  • If you are looking at a new GM truck (2015HD) and a new camper, I'd call the camper manufacturer to ask if their campers fit the new GM HD trucks. The bed depth seems to have changed on 2015 model year.
  • The dually swing out bracelets are an add-on to the existing jack.

    THe jack is unbolted from the mount, then the swingout bracket is added in between the jack and the bracket that's already bolted to the side of the camper.
  • 1) One thing to consider on the gas vs. diesel decision, is that the weight difference is 99% on the FRONT axle, while the camper is 99% on the REAR axle. The only thing you'd be affecting is the overall weight of the truck, not the weight on any individual axle. The reduced weight on the front will just be wasted capacity.

    In fact with as much weight as you're putting behind the axle here, the extra weight of the diesel might be to your advantage from a stability, handling, and braking standpoint.

    From a power standpoint, the gas engine will have plenty of power. The difference is that it will do it at a high RPM, probably around 3500 on hills, whereas the diesel will loaf along at 2200. Having the engine rev at such a high RPM causes heartburn for some people, but it's designed to do that.

    2) I think for a 7000lb trailer you're going to want a Torklift Superhitch and Supertruss if you're going to use much of an extension.

    It's probably not a bad idea to limit yourself to a 9.5' or shorter camper, just to minimize or eliminate the need for an extension. Your weight limitation might also point you to this size camper.


    3) You can get "dually brackets" for any jack on any camper. The ones I've seen are a heavy hinge that lets the jack swing out about 4" on each side.

    If you buy a used camper without the brackets, you need to support the front of the camper while you install the brackets. Somehow. Whatever it takes. Stack of pallets maybe? You might be able to get underneath the front of the camper with the back edge of the truck bed and lower it on there while you install the brackets, then back the rest of the way in. Maybe you can luck out and the camper will be on a truck.

    4) Depending on the truck, the answer could be none-of-the-above. The Chevy's have gone through three generations since the late 90's, with each generation the box has gotten narrower and deeper and more curved.

    Unfortunately there is no standard for campers or truck boxes. All I can say on this is measure carefully.