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atexintx
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Aug 29, 2019

My first post - I'm new to trailers and need some input

I need some help on estimating travel expenses and more -
I’m a bean counter by profession and cash flow projections are my expertise and, yet, I need some input for estimating some expenses based upon the assumptions below:
Assumptions:
I’ll be pulling a 16’-17’’ trailer with my 2014 Dodge Grand Caravan, GTW=3,600 lbs.
This limits me to a trailer empty weight of about 2,900 lbs.
I plan to travel alone except for my Chihuahua.
We plan to live in our trailer year round, traveling about 18-25 days each month with some mountain traveling but flat land otherwise.
My Caravan normally gets about 28 mpg on the road; otherwise about 18 mpg around town.
I’m expecting to get about 10 mpg? pulling my trailer.
Questions:
(I know the answer to most of these may be “it depends” in which case just assume “a little bit of this and a little bit of that” (if this makes any sense).
1. How much extra per year can I expect to pay for trailer vehicle expense? I’m with State Farm for the Caravan.
2. What can I expect to pay per night on average for overnight camping while traveling our great highways and byways (Remember – I know “it depends” – but …).
3. Where and how would I find cable and Internet connections – (1) most every camping spot, (2) some camping spots, (3) a few camping spots?
4. Are there any “best practices” when it comes to being on the electric/Internet grid as we travel?
5. How much can I expect to pay per month for cable and Internet (I have a telephone and Internet-based business)?
6. If I’m in an area with spotty cell phone reception, would a phone system like OOMA be a good option? Otherwise, I use Skype.
7. Would AT&T help me with options for doing quick charges on my cell phone that does not require electricity (or is there any such thing).
8. Will I be using a generator for my electricity if I don’t have a hook up? I understand that solar panels may be a smart way to go.
9. Are fresh water fill-ups included in the cost of overnight camping?
10. Do most camping spots have fresh water fill ups?
11. Is the cost of electricity included in the cost of overnight camping?
12. It appears to me that overnight hookup charges may be the biggest expense while traveling 80% of the time on the road. Correct?
13. Is it difficult to find camping spots where one can camp for 30 days or so?
14. Is it realistic to think that if I’m in a town or city I can park on a side street for several nights. Would this be a matter of knowing local city laws?
15. Is the best way to buy a used trailer (if one becomes available) only from a dealer or would buying from an individual be okay too?
16. If I purchase a used trailer from an individual, what due diligence should I do over and above what I’d do with a dealer?
17. What would be the best type of dunnage (packing cushion to protect dishes, supplies, etc. while moving?)
18. Is there any value in having a short wave radio? What would that be?
19. I’m concerned about camping in a flash flood area and want to know which is the best way to be alerted on this.
20. I might do some camping in California some day and I understand they only provide an online reservation system. Is it a hassle to camp in CA?
21. I do plan to travel the Great Plains and Mountain West, the Midwest and maybe the Deep South – Any particular region better than the other? (As a kid, we tent camped in Jackson Hole, Colorado, Rapid City, Nebraska, Iowa, Wisconsin, Minnesota).

First one to answer most of these will get either a six pack of Bud Light or 3 pints of Hagen Daz ice cream emailed to them (if I can).

John
fbtstudies@gmail.com
El Paso Texas
  • brant_c wrote:
    Buy a used trailer and start camping close to home for the first year. Work out all the bugs. You'll be glad you did.

    You're right...lots of the answers you'll get will be "It depends".
    This is the best response you can hope to get - because it's true - no one can give you the answers to all these questions - and you can't email ice cream or beer.

    One area you could put more beans into is your tow vehicle. Or - put more in your budget for repairs. Minivans are grocery getters - not tow vehicles.

    That caravan is going to severely limit the size of the trailer which will in turn limit your planned use of living in it full time.

    Plans for the winter? Didn't see a line item in there for propane.

    Stick to the advice I quoted - buy the trailer, tow it to a spot and camp in it. Learn from those shorter experiences. You can't expect to succeed by going at it full throttle by asking 20 plus questions that have too many variable answers for anyone to consider trying to cover in a reply.

    Good luck - and feel free to ask about a specific situation as they come up. Start with your Caravan - that's the most limiting factor in your entire plan.
  • Buy a used trailer and start camping close to home for the first year. Work out all the bugs. You'll be glad you did.

    You're right...lots of the answers you'll get will be "It depends".
  • I'll answer #21. The USA is a fantastic country with diversity as wide as the sky. That's the great joy of RVing, traveling to areas that are completely different than your "home" which takes you out of your "comfort zone." A bit overwhelming, scary, and very uncertain at first? yes. But the more you travel, the more the adventure grows on you, and then you actually begin to look forward traveling to a new location you are not familiar with.

    Every geographical area in the country is different, unique, and diverse. Even the same location, city to country can be worlds apart. Personally, I like driving secondary roads, not interstate. We enjoy the local culture and not the tourist areas. But many folks enjoy the tourist areas. Personally, I like solitude, but other enjoy the fast hustle-and-bustle. Some travel with kids and look for high activity destination points. Some are now empty nesters, retired, older, who enjoy vegetating around a campfire for days on end.

    There is no answer to this question. Wherever ANYONE calls "home"... "home" is probably the best location on earth.

    (Personally, I have no desire to travel in Chicago, New York City, or LosAngeles), but I would throughly enjoy traveling through Illinois, New York State, or California.)
  • good luck.

    1. How much extra per year can I expect to pay for trailer vehicle expense? I’m with State Farm for the Caravan. A lot, trailers need constant maintenance and you will be stressing your van. How handy are you?
    2. What can I expect to pay per night on average for overnight camping while traveling our great highways and byways (Remember – I know “it depends” – but …). 10-100 bucks. plan for 50
    3. Where and how would I find cable and Internet connections – (1) most every camping spot, (2) some camping spots, (3) a few camping spots? 3 if any
    4. Are there any “best practices” when it comes to being on the electric/Internet grid as we travel? don't know I don't travel I camp so we don't have it when we go
    5. How much can I expect to pay per month for cable and Internet (I have a telephone and Internet-based business)? don't know
    6. If I’m in an area with spotty cell phone reception, would a phone system like OOMA be a good option? Otherwise, I use Skype. don't know, I seldom don't have cell coverage
    7. Would AT&T help me with options for doing quick charges on my cell phone that does not require electricity (or is there any such thing). solar or generator or inverter off your house battery or charge via the car. pick what you want to do and plan accordingly
    8. Will I be using a generator for my electricity if I don’t have a hook up? I understand that solar panels may be a smart way to go. depends on your needs and what you have. don't camp next to me and run a genny constantly please.
    9. Are fresh water fill-ups included in the cost of overnight camping? yes if available
    10. Do most camping spots have fresh water fill ups? yes
    11. Is the cost of electricity included in the cost of overnight camping? if its a serviced site
    12. It appears to me that overnight hookup charges may be the biggest expense while traveling 80% of the time on the road. Correct? until you break stuff
    13. Is it difficult to find camping spots where one can camp for 30 days or so? in busy areas yes but it can be done
    14. Is it realistic to think that if I’m in a town or city I can park on a side street for several nights. Would this be a matter of knowing local city laws? don't count on it
    15. Is the best way to buy a used trailer (if one becomes available) only from a dealer or would buying from an individual be okay too? I prefer privet sale. dealers have overhead to cover and need to be profitable
    16. If I purchase a used trailer from an individual, what due diligence should I do over and above what I’d do with a dealer? privet inspection since you have limited experience/knowledge
    17. What would be the best type of dunnage (packing cushion to protect dishes, supplies, etc. while moving?) we use platic, paper and correl, it stays in cupboard just like at home
    18. Is there any value in having a short wave radio? What would that be? not to me
    19. I’m concerned about camping in a flash flood area and want to know which is the best way to be alerted on this. no idea my phone is all I have
    20. I might do some camping in California some day and I understand they only provide an online reservation system. Is it a hassle to camp in CA? no idea
    21. I do plan to travel the Great Plains and Mountain West, the Midwest and maybe the Deep South – Any particular region better than the other? (As a kid, we tent camped in Jackson Hole, Colorado, Rapid City, Nebraska, Iowa, Wisconsin, Minnesota). Canada eh
  • You will NOT enjoy pulling a hard sided trailer with your minivan unless it is something ultra light like a fiberglass 'egg' or a no slide 14' unit. I've been there, done that, as has a former coworker. He did it for 2 years locally (within about 100 relatively flat miles from home), I noped out after towing the trailer in my signature home. In theory the numbers work, in reality the soft rear suspension makes for an absolutely terrible towing experience.