my GMC 2500 tow vehicle ..

2500HD will be overloaded.

My last CAT scale with a trailer factor weight of 10,014 lbs.

Steer Axle - 4900 lbs - rated at 5600 lbs
Drive Axle - 6060 lbs - rated at 7050 lbs
Trailer Axle - 9220 lbs - trailer axles rated at 10,400 lbs
Gross Weight - 20,180 lbs

My truck weight set to tow with me and a tank of fuel is about 8100 lbs.

The 5th wheel we were looking at was a Ceder Creek Silverback the 29IK and or 31RK. The 31RK was a bit much in weight

Thanks

What 5th wheel are you looking at? Maybe we can help you find a lighter version of a similar floor plan...

No need to erect a tent when you can easily tow a reasonable size TT/FW with your truck. You need to get past what some dealer tells you and crunch the real numbers to determine what you can really tow/carry with the truck. While it may seem daunting to begin with understanding the ratings can be accomplished with some education on what the ratings are for and learning to use them to determine what is possible to pull safely.

Thanks for all the input, maybe I will go back to tenting it was a lot easier back then, but not as convienant

This is no, "can of worms." It's simple...it's a bad combination.
It's also simple that what the dealer is telling you IS a can of baloney.

"The dealer tells me that my truck would be able to tow as you can tow more weight towing a 5th wheel rather than a regular TT."

I think you may have to look for a lighter trailer. If the one you are looking at is 11,000#s empty, it will be North of 12,000 loaded.

Gearing change with 4x4 is expensive, as you found out. You may run into payload issues also, with that trailer wt.

Jerry

A couple of things, my truck full of gas and passengers, is 7650 I had it weighed. The maximum tongue weight from my docs says it is 2500 lbs

So change of rear ends to a 4.10 or 4.56 will help me out

Just got off the phone with my GMC dealer, he tells me that it would cost about $2500 to change both front and rear gears ( 4.56), he also mentioned that the truck would not be calibrated for the tranny etc. That is something the dealership doesnt do. Hmmmmm

Sounds like a can of worms

I am looking at the brochure for 2011 Silverado HD. The ball hitch and 5th wheel tow ratings for 6.0L/3.73 are the same for every cab/bed configuration. 9500-ish pounds is correct. In order to stay near that you'll want to shop about 8000 pounds dry.

FWIW, the same truck with 4.10 axle 5th wheel tow rating is in the 14k range. You may consider swapping the gears to that (or even 4.56 is you are going to pay to change). I think towing 12k would be quite acceptable with 4.56 and the 6-spd.

edstep wrote:
I currently own a 2011 GMC 2500HD, 6.0 gaser with a 3.73 rear

I am looking at a new trailer, the documentation on my truck says I can tow a 9500 lb trailer ( unloaded) the new trailer that I am looking at has an empty weight of 10,856 - 11169. The pin weight for my truck is 2500.
The dealer tells me that my truck would be able to tow as you can tow more weight towing a 5th wheel rather than a regular TT. I have heard this before but I need some further input

Pure BS from the dealer. He just wants to make a sale.
In fact the reverse is often true - due to pin weights being higher than tongue weights of a bumper pull it is often the case that a given truck can handle a heavier TT than a fiver.
Ask him to put in writing that you will not exceed any of your truck ratings with the fiver he wants to sell you. Then see how fast he back pedals!

Reality is that you can tow 9500# MINUS any weight you add to the truck other than a 150# driver.
What do you mean by the "pin weight for your truck is 2500#"?

If you mean what you can carry in the way of a fiver pin, then that could be close. It depends on your truck configuration (cab, 4WD, box length, options etc).
To get a real number for your trucks pin capability........
Read the "Tire and Loading Information" label on your drivers door pillar.
Subtract all weight you add to the truck from the Payload rating from that label.
What is left is what you can add in the way of a hitch and LOADED fiver pin weight without exceeding your truck ratings.

BTW, an 11,000# empty fiver will be 13,000# plus once loaded, with a pin weight around 2600#. Add 200# for the hitch.
You don't have enough truck for that.